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    The Illusion Spin

    The "illusion spin" was accidentally invented by Jacqueline du Bief (FRA) when she lost control on the entrance to a camel spin. Which skaters do you think have good ones these days?

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    Sotnikova of course. I expect new rule changes for this spin, some of them is too ugly.

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    There are some good illusion spins but there are some really ugly ones too.

    I think what defines a good illusion spin is the ability to keep a straight line from the head to the toe without bending/kicking the free leg to sustain the motion.

    I think Adelina has one of, if not the, best illusion spins right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rrC93Oe2QE#t=91

    I think Anna Pogorilaya has one of the worst ones of the top ladies. Whereas Adelina's illusion seems to start at the top of her head with her free leg following the motion, Anna's illusion is completely driven by her kicking her free leg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cWVnXsR7x0#t=125 The leg is bent and wild looking...it's just not a pretty move for her.

    I'm trying to think of some other nice illusions. I see a number of nice illusions in footwork but not that many great ones in the spins nowadays.

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    I'm not very fond of illusion spins, only Sotnikova and Asada make me appreciate this move.

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    I think Alena Leonova showed a good example in her 2012 world short

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iais8SwERwU#t=200

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    im not a big fan of sotnikova but i must credit her for executing that jump beautifully, total control on that spin

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    Some illusion spins look more like a failed camel than an actual illusion, so Im not shocked to hear that illusions were failed camels originally. Although I like her, I think Edmunds has an awkward illusion, she doesn't dip her head down or get her free leg extended into the air high enough. I like illusions in combination to other spins, I don't like them in step sequences where some skaters have been putting them

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    I like this spin much better than spiral.

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    I find there are better 'illusion spins' in dance than Ice Skating.

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    I LOVE the illusion spin. So few skaters can perform it well; Sotnikova has the best illusion spin, Asada's is decent, and Pogorilaya's is bad, to put it mildly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsk8 View Post
    The "illusion spin" was accidentally invented by Jacqueline du Bief (FRA) when she lost control on the entrance to a camel spin. Which skaters do you think have good ones these days?

    Were the judges fooled? lol She was the 1952 world champion and 1952 Olympic bronze medalist.


    http://www.ifsmagazine.com/articles/...ueline-du-bief

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    I'm not a fan of illusion spins, they doesn't even look like a spin.
    Carolina and Adelina do the only acceptable ones.

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    I agree with lilahozi - Most skaters perform the illusion spin rather poorly. As a former baton twirler, I was pleased to see a common baton twirling move (toss illusion, toss double illusion, etc.) on ice, but mortified by the poor technique I saw from (the vast majority of the) top-tier skaters. Skaters could definitely take some tips from baton twirlers when it comes to illusion technique!

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    We're seeing a lot of illusions as entries to spins this season, especially forward illusion into layback, as so far the most common example of the new difficult entry level feature.

    For the last several years we've been seeing them in step sequences as one way to include full-body movement.

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    I like Sotnikova's illusion and she executes it very well ... would prefer a bit more of a split but it's still clean -- a lot of illusions look sloppy, like Osmond's and Kostner's, but it's an incredibly hard spin to execute properly, since your core is constantly shifting up and down, rather than a static core position (like most spin positions) where you don't bob your centre of gravity up and down.

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