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    03/04 Consistancy

    Im kind of bored and so Ive decided to see who is the most statiscally consisnant.

    Sasha:

    Cambells-attempted 6 triples, one error
    SA -attempted 6 triples, one error
    SC-attempted 6 triples, one error
    TL-attempted 6 triples, one error
    all three had sps with 2 clean triples
    I dont have MKs jump count for the winter chalange. so I will not use it...
    GPF SP-2 triples with one error
    GPF LP-attempted 6 triples, 2 errors
    Nats SP-2 clean triples
    Nats LP-SA-attempted 7 triples, 2 errors
    Worlds Q-attepted 6 triples, no errors
    Worlds SP-2 clean triples
    Worlds LP-attempted 7 triples, one error
    Marshalls-7 clean triples

    Total Attempted: 59
    Total Errors: 10
    Total Clean: 49
    49 divided by 59 = .831
    83.1% consistancy

    MK:

    Cambells: attempted 6, 2 errors
    Nats SP: 2 clean triples
    Nats LP: 6 clean triples
    Worlds QR: attempted 6, 2 errors
    Worlds SP: 2 clean triples
    Worlds LP: 6 attempted, 1 error
    Marshalls: 6 attempted, 1 error

    Total Attempted: 28
    Total Errors: 6
    Total Clean: 22
    22 divided by 28 = .786
    78.6% consistancy

    So....Sasha was statistically more consistant this season...

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    Hmmm. . . let me guess. . . are you a Sasha fan?
    Isn't this kind of like beating a dead horse? (Pardon the terminology.)

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    1. I have no idea why this is in "Voting Booth".
    I dont have MKs jump count for the winter chalange. so I will not use it...
    Nice try. I found the info easily on this very forum.
    Sasha:
    Winter - attempted 6 triples, four errors
    MK:
    Winter - attempted 6 triples, two errors
    I'm no statistics expert, but I believe that one must compare apples to apples. Personally, I would only compare events they were both in. I also would only compare SP to SP and LP to LP.

    SP: They seem to be equal by your equasions, so I'll just drop that as moot.

    LP:

    Sasha:

    Cambells-attempted 6 triples, one error
    Winter - attempted 6 triples, four errors
    Nats LP-attempted 7 triples, 2 errors
    Worlds Q-attepted 6 triples, no errors
    Worlds LP-attempted 7 triples, one error
    Marshalls-7 clean triples

    Total Attempted: 39
    Total Errors: 8
    Total Clean: 31
    31 divided by 39 = .794
    79.4% consistancy

    MK:

    Cambells: attempted 6, 2 errors
    Winter - attempted 6 triples, two errors
    Nats LP: 6 clean triples
    Worlds QR: attempted 6, 2 errors
    Worlds LP: 6 attempted, 1 error
    Marshalls: 6 attempted, 1 error

    Total Attempted: 36
    Total Errors: 8
    Total Clean: 28
    28 divided by 36 = .777
    77.7% consistancy

    So....Sasha was statistically more consistant this season...

    Wow, shall we do this for every year starting with 2000?

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    when you count the errors, do you count a hard/weird looking landing as an error, despite the fact that the jump was landed?

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    I only count stepouts, 2 foots, falls, pops, and underrotates. Wonky landing isnt an error really, just a drop in quality.

    My point is that people are always saying that Sasha is so very inconsistant, but this last season Sasha was more consistant than MK...

    The past is the past...and its over...

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    Skatepixie:
    I dont have MKs jump count for the winter chalange. so I will not use it...
    I love statistics and comparisons so I love this thread.

    Ok on to business. Skatepixie, your reason for not using the Winter Challenge is invalid. By hook or by crook, you have to get Michelle's jump count so that you can include the Winter Challenge in your comparison. Otherwise, it makes your way of comparing SC and MK look clumsy or blatantly selective or biased. Also, people will wonder if the true reason for omiting it is because Sasha fell 3x. If you want to compare, you have got to include all the competitions both have entered.
    Last edited by apache88; 04-21-2004 at 01:11 PM.

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    I love statistics too! How are these? Since sasha has clearly(cough, cough) won the jump consistency award she has earned the honor of going first.

    On the left Sasha Cohen
    National Titles - drum roll please 0
    World Titles - drumroll again 0
    what the heck Olympic Medals - 0


    On the right Michelle Kwan
    National Titles - Eight
    World Titles - Five
    and Olympic Medals - Two

    Sasha O
    Michelle 15

    So IF Michelle retires tomorrow Sasha (IF she remains injury free and no one else beats her) will have the opportunity to tie Michelles National record in eight years, World in five, and Olympic in six.

    Hmmmmm.

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    Ya-a-ay Sasha!!!!

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    Just out of curiousity because I like both skaters...

    If this is one of Michelle's worst seasons and one of Sasha's best and Michelle was only 1.7% more inconsistent than Sasha this season, how hard will an improving Sasha have to work to beat a rejuvenated Michelle?

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    Being that Sasha is on the up spiral and MK is on the down...I wouldnt think it would be too hard.

    Apparently...I wouldnt have any motive at all to keep the winter proam off the count. Sasha is still ahead even after it is added in...

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    I must say I was PML when you left out the winter cheesefest. How convenient for your statistics? Hey can someone do last year? That will be fun!

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    Apparently...I wouldnt have any motive at all to keep the winter proam off the count. Sasha is still ahead even after it is added in...
    I just think it's funny that you chose to not count it because you felt like it. I think you didn't want to count it at first because you knew it would have hurt Sasha's percentage and helped Kwan's. It was only after someone else did the math adding the winter cheesefest and Sasha still ended higher (not by much), where you said you had no motive for not counting the winter competition.

    Oh, skatepixie...you didn't really answer mpal's question because he was asking what would happen if BOTH Sasha is improving and Kwan is rejuvenated. So your comment (which is just your speculation and not factual) about Sasha being on the upward spiral and Kwan being on the downward one has nothing to do with the question being asked.

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    Being that Sasha is on the up spiral and MK is on the down...I wouldnt think it would be too hard.
    Actually, both do the change of edge spiral, which I believe is a level 2 in COP, so I would think it very hard.

    I know that people often call Sasah an "up" skater, meaning that her spiral is above the boot, all about extension, and MK a "down" skater, meaning that her spiral is below the boot, or all about her strong edge, but I think that they've both got pretty darn good spirals.


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    Anyone can make these type of stats in favor of their favorite skater. Here is another example.

    Who had more falls in head to head competition in the 03/04 season


    Campbells- MK 1 fall, SC 0 falls
    Winter Cheesefest MK 1 fall, SC 3 falls
    Nationals- MK 0 falls, SC 1 fall
    Worlds LP MK 0 falls, SC 0 falls
    Spring Cheesefest- MK 1 fall, SC 0 falls

    Which brings us to a total of...

    MK-3 falls
    SC- 4 falls

    Michelle's ability to stay on her feet is greater than Sasha's, as you can tell by my really kewl statistics.

    ***I did not include the QR round because Michelle and Sasha did not compete head to head.

    See how easy it was to make my fave look "better"?
    Last edited by smallsilly; 04-22-2004 at 09:28 AM.

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    IMO this whole thread is silly. I mean skater X could have attempeted 7 triples and fell on all 7 in every program. That would make skater X 100% consistent. But that certanly doesn't mean that skater X is any better than Sasha and Michelle with only 70 something % consistnecy.

    And actually SkatePixie, your equation is not determining the consistencly, it's determining the percentage of attemped jumps landed cleanly. consistency is totally different.
    Last edited by BravesSkateFan; 04-24-2004 at 03:01 PM.

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