2015-16 State of U.S. Men's Figure Skating

Article re Tomoki Hiwatashi includes discussion of his goals for Junior Worlds:


Good luck to Vincent :yay: and Tomoki :yay:.

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The senior US men going to Worlds will take part in the USFS #WhatsUpWorldTeam Google Hangouts.

Many thanks to the team of Adam :yay:, Max :yay:, and Grant :yay: for representing the U.S. so well at Worlds!

:dance2: So happy for and proud of each of the three. Congratulations all around. :dance2:

End of the season number crunching

I just updated the spreadsheet. I'm just going to leave the numbers here and let you guys discuss it among yourselves. I'll also start a new thread for the 2016-2017 season. A few technical notes:

1.) For Team Challenge Cup, I added the SP/FS scores to get the total scores for Jason Brown and Adam Rippon.
2.) A reminder that scores include all international competitions including Senior B/TCC, where scores did not count for ISU SB/PB. Season's best is simply the highest scored earned internationally, even if it doesn't count toward ISU SB. Also, general caveat that each competition has differing judging panels so hence certain competitions may have been more (or less) inflated than others, hence the importance of including averages.
3.) Including an average ranking for both score averages and season's best scores.

Onward to next season.


Only doing (domestic) seniors for now.


Overall (season's best)
Jason Brown 269.22
Adam Rippon 264.44
Max Aaron 258.95
Ross Miner 264.44
Nathan Chen 236.76
Grant Hochstein 254.63
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Vincent Zhou 221.19
Timothy Dolensky 219.06
Richard Dornbush 217.50
Alexander Johnson 212.85
Sean Rabbit 201.27
Jordan Moeller 178.21

Overall (average)
Brown 246.93
Rippon 244.59
Aaron 241.43
Chen 232.72
Miner 224.65
Hochstein 217.75
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Dolensky 212.89
Zhou 209.64
Dornbush 208.59
Johnson 204.59
Rabbit 187.68
Moeller 178.21

Short Program (season's best)
Brown 87.72
Aaron 86.67
Rippon 86.05
Miner 85.36
Chen 78.59
Dornbush 78.20
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Zhou 77.31
Hochstein 75.79
Johnson 71.95
Dolensky 69.18
Rabbitt 64.75
Moeller 63.50

Short Program (average)
Brown 82.16
Aaron 80.14
Rippon 78.74
Chen 77.89
Miner 74.31
Hochstein 73.75
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Dornbush 71.25
Zhou 70.61
Johnson 67.61
Dolensky 66.05
Moeller 63.50
Rabbitt 59.55


SP TES (highest)
Aaron 47.96
Miner 45.57
Rippon 43.96
Brown 43.84
Zhou 42.67
Chen 42.48
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Hochstein 40.59
Dornbush 40.06
Johnson 37.80
Dolensky 34.08
Rabbit 32.20
Moeller 31.90

SP TES (average)
Aaron 42.25
Chen 42.05
Brown 40.08
Hochstein 39.86
Rippon 39.18
Zhou 38.50
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Miner 36.45
Johnson 35.21
Dornbush 34.90
Moeller 31.90
Dolensky 31.83
Rabbitt 29.32

SP PCS (highest)
Brown 44.20
Rippon 42.65
Miner 39.79
Aaron 38.85
Dornbush 38.14
Chen 37.11
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Dolensky 34.87
Zhou 34.64
Hochstein 34.28
Johnson 34.15
Rabbitt 33.55
Moeller 31.60

SP PCS (average)
Brown 41.96
Rippon 40.06
Aaron 38.21
Miner 38.12
Dornbush 36.98
Chen 35.83
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Hochstein 34.13
Dolensky 33.56
Johnson 33.40
Zhou 31.99
Moeller 31.60
Rabbitt 31.23

Free Skate Overall (highest)
Brown 181.50
Rippon 178.72
Aaron 176.65
Miner 163.56
Hochstein 162.44
Chen 159.63
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Dolensky 156.60
Dornbush 147.05
Zhou 145.37
Johnson 140.90
Rabbitt 136.95
Moeller 114.71

FS Overall (average)
Rippon 165.85
Brown 164.55
Aaron 161.12
Chen 154.84
Dolensky 146.83
Hochstein 147.59
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Miner 141.96
Zhou 139.03
Johnson 136.98
Rabbitt 128.35
Moeller 114.71


FS TES (highest)
Aaron 93.16
Rippon 93.08
Brown 89.80
Chen 88.69
Hochstein 85.81
Dolensky 83.98
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Miner 83.26
Zhou 75.29
Dornbush 71.53
Johnson 69.30
Rabbitt 65.05
Moeller 52.21

FS TES (average)
Chen 83.84
Rippon 83.72
Aaron 82.93
Brown 79.58
Dolensky 76.09
Hochstein 73.88
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Zhou 71.80
Miner 66.43
Johnson 66.13
Dornbush 64.66
Rabbitt 62.25
Moeller 52.21

FS PCS (highest)
Brown 91.70
Rippon 87.00
Aaron 81.30
Miner 81.30
Hochstein 77.72
Dornbush 77.52
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Chen 73.56
Rabbitt 72.90
Johnson 71.10
Zhou 70.50
Moeller 64.50

FS PCS (average)
Brown 85.69
Rippon 82.58
Aaron 76.97
Miner 76.53
Dornbush 74.69
Hochstein 74.33
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Chen 71.99
Dolensky 70.74
Johnson 70.15
Zhou 67.98
Rabbitt 67.10
Moeller 64.50

Average ranking (highest scores)
Brown 1.71
Rippon 2.29
Aaron 2.43
Miner 3.86
Chen 5.57
Hochstein 6.43
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Dornbush 7.29
Zhou 7.86
Dolensky 8.14
Johnson 9.71
Rabbitt 10.57
Moeller 12.00

Average ranking (average scores)
Brown 1.86
Rippon 2.43
Aaron 2.57
Chen 4.00
Miner 5.71
Hochstein 5.71
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Dornbush 7.71
Dolensky 7.86
Zhou 8.14
Johnson 9.14
Rabbitt 11.43
Moeller 11.43


Dolensky 7.86

But Mrs P, the TCC scores don't count.

karne said:

But Mrs P, the TCC scores don't count.

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Please see my note. As I said, I included all international scores even though they don't technically count for ISU PB/SB. Namely that included Autumn Classix and TCC.

I went back and forth on the whether to include TCC numbers because of the argument that numbers are slightly inflated. But a lot of competitions had generous panels this season and those did count. Also in Jason's case, it was the only way to gauge where he is now.

The numbers ae an imperfect snapshot. If people are want a pre-TCC number crunching, I can see what I can do.

Mrs. P said:

Please see my note. As I said, I included all international scores even though they don't technically count for ISU PB/SB. Namely that included Autumn Classix and TCC.

I went back and forth on the whether to include TCC numbers because of the argument that numbers are slightly inflated. But a lot of competitions had generous panels this season and those did count. Also in Jason's case, it was the only way to gauge where he is now.

The numbers ae an imperfect snapshot. If people are want a pre-TCC number crunching, I can see what I can do.

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In coming fall we will see where he actually is in competitions which will count, why not wait until then? That would give more credibility to your statistics, which you so kindly provide for us skating fans.

Jaana said:

In coming fall we will see where he actually is in competitions which will count, why not wait until then? That would give more credibility to your statistics, which you so kindly provide for us skating fans.

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Those numbers will be in the 2016-2017 thread.

As I said, I get that these numbers hold various weight with various folks. I mainly just wanted to wrap up this past season and share what I had. You can take or leave my numbers. Next season is a new one with a brand new spreadsheet.

Ok, but Brown competed in 2015-2016 season in some competitions which count, didn´t he?

Jaana said:

Ok, but Brown competed in 2015-2016 season in some competitions which count, didn´t he?

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As I said, I factored the scores for all international competitions, with the huge caveat that not all of them counted toward ISU PB/SB and that they are perfectly comparable due to the nature of differing technical/judging panels. They are still ISU-sanctioned international competitions, including TCC.

But for the sake of discussion, I went back and calculated the numbers without TCC. I'm going to only include top 6 because that's where the changes were most apparent. Onward!

Overall (highest)

Adam Rippon 264.44
Max Aaron 258.95
Ross Miner 248.92
Jason Brown 240.65
Nathan Chen 236.76
Grant Hochstein 235.63


Overall (average)
Rippon 242.96
Aaron 241.43
Brown 239.50
Chen 232.72
Miner 224.65
Hochstein 217.75

Short Program (highest)
Aaron 87.03
Rippon 86.05
Miner 85.35
Brown 85.29
Chen 78.59
Dornbush 78.20

Short Program (average)
Brown 80.30
Aaron 80.14
Chen 77.89
Rippon 77.27
Miner 74.31
Hochstein 73.75

SP TES (highest)
Aaron 47.96
Miner 45.57
Rippon 43.96
Brown 43.84
Zhou 42.67
Chen 42.48

SP TES (average)
Aaron 42.25
Chen 42.05
Hochstein 39.86
Rippon 39.18
Brown 38.93
Zhou 38.50

SP PCS (highest)
Brown 42.07
Rippon 41.76
Miner 39.79
Aaron 38.85
Dornbush 38.14
Chen 37.11

SP PCS (average)
Brown 41.21
Rippon 39.54
Aaron 38.21
Miner 38.12
Dornbush 36.98
Chen 35.83

Free Skate (highest)
Rippon 178.72
Aaron 176.65
Miner 163.56
Hochstein 162.44
Brown 162.39
Chen 159.63

Free Skate (average)
Rippon 165.69
Aaron 161.12
Brown 158.89
Chen 154.84
Hochstein 147.59
Dolensky 146.83

FS TES (highest)
Aaron 93.16
Rippon 93.08
Chen 88.69
Hochstein 85.81
Dolensky 83.98
Miner 83.26
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Brown 79.69

FS TES (average)
Rippon 84.33
Chen 83.84
Aaron 82.93
Brown 76.17
Dolensky 76.09
Hochstein 66.13

FS PCS (highest)
Rippon 85.64
Brown 85.36
Aaron 81.30
Miner 81.30
Hochstein 77.72
Dornbush 77.52

FS PCS (average)
Brown 83.69
Rippon 81.69
Aaron 76.97
Miner 76.53
Dornbush 74.69
Hochstein 74.33

Average ranking (highest scores)
Rippon 1.71
Aaron 2.00
Miner 3.29
Brown 3.86
Chen 5.43
Hochstein 6.14

Average ranking (average scores)
Rippon 2.14
Aaron 2.29
Brown 2.57
Chen 4.00
Hochstein 5.57
Miner 5.71

Mrs. P said:

... 1.) For Team Challenge Cup, I added the SP/FS scores to get the total scores for Jason Brown and Adam Rippon.
2.) A reminder that scores include all international competitions including Senior B/TCC, where scores did not count for ISU SB/PB. Season's best is simply the highest scored earned internationally, even if it doesn't count toward ISU SB. ...

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Mrs. P said:

... Also in Jason's case, it was the only way to gauge where he is now. ....

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Jaana said:

In coming fall we will see where he actually is in competitions which will count, why not wait until then? That would give more credibility to your statistics, which you so kindly provide for us skating fans.

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Mrs. P said:

... for the sake of discussion, I went back and calculated the numbers without TCC. I'm going to only include top 6 because that's where the changes were most apparent. Onward! ...

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Thx for spoiling us with two rounds of number-crunching, Mrs. P .

Including the TCC scores was perfectly credible to me for an end-of-season post -- given that you included the caveat that the ISU does not count TCC scores for SBs. And given that they are Jason's only post-injury scores, as you added.

Appreciate your above-and-beyond efforts to keep track of these countless pieces of data for us, Mrs. P.
And to shed light on the big picture with your extensive number-crunching.