Shoma Uno

gftn · Apr 4, 2018

I'm not saying change coach but rather add another one. Yes, Alex has helped him and I do hope he keeps going to him every summer, but I think it would also be beneficial if he has someone that can help him with his tech all year long and accompany him on competitions alongside Mihoko.

It's very unlikely he will add another coach anyway, but I do wonder how great he could be if they drill the tech side just a tad more. I know he doesn't want to leave Nagoya so that's why I was asking if there is a coach in Japan that could join his team not replacing his current coaches.

daphenaxa · Apr 4, 2018

Arriba627 said:
^^^I always feel bad when they don't mention Coach Yamada, because she is really the head coach who has been working with him since he was 5 years old.

interestingly enough, Yamada is the only Japanese coach that has brought olympic medals to Japan with two skaters, Midori and Shoma who didn't have to go abroad to train in order to be successful. I know Shoma has consulted with foreign people like Alex Ourashev, Stéphane, Romain Haguenauer even Sam Chouinard but it was, you know, intermittent stuffs for weeks or days, not moving to train abroad.
Obviously it doesn't take anything away from those who had to move but it's an interesting particularity in Shoma and I like that he now wants to stick with that Japanese team and trust Yamada and Higuchi since they have brought him success.
I think the consulting thing with other people is good and he should continue to seek that. The work that he did with Chouinard about the arm movements for Turandot, i thought was really great. He brought some really cool, modern upper body movements into a very classical theme.
Shoma's take on Vivaldi, which Stephane apparently helped for, also ended up looking very modern in my opinion. That's why i don't really mind when Shoma skates to warhorses, even with classical themes, it doesn't look classical.
I hope Mihoko can get some more recognition (a 1st would be for the eurosport guys to stop calling her Machiko Yamada) and i'm sure Shoma can remain successful without going to the Canadian choreographers who already choreo for every single skater under the sun.

Logirl · Apr 4, 2018

I Agree

gftn said:
I'm not saying change coach but rather add another one. Yes, Alex has helped him and I do hope he keeps going to him every summer, but I think it would also be beneficial if he has someone that can help him with his tech all year long and accompany him on competitions alongside Mihoko.

It's very unlikely he will add another coach anyway, but I do wonder how great he could be if they drill the tech side just a tad more. I know he doesn't want to leave Nagoya so that's why I was asking if there is a coach in Japan that could join his team not replacing his current coaches.

Exactly not changing coach but adding a jump specialist that can help with the technique year round I think would be much better than just a one week jump school. I have been wondering if Japan has this too. It is hard to just take one week of instructions and implement yourself as oppose to having a jump specialist remind you and help you with this.

daphenaxa · Apr 4, 2018

gftn said:
I know he doesn't want to leave Nagoya so that's why I was asking if there is a coach in Japan that could join his team not replacing his current coaches.

Takeshi Honda is regarded as a jump specialist. He worked with Daisuke. I think he still coaches at Kansai (Osaka). I don't know if he could help.

Danibellerika · Apr 4, 2018

gftn said:
I'm not saying change coach but rather add another one. Yes, Alex has helped him and I do hope he keeps going to him every summer, but I think it would also be beneficial if he has someone that can help him with his tech all year long and accompany him on competitions alongside Mihoko.

It's very unlikely he will add another coach anyway, but I do wonder how great he could be if they drill the tech side just a tad more. I know he doesn't want to leave Nagoya so that's why I was asking if there is a coach in Japan that could join his team not replacing his current coaches.

I think Shizuka had some pretty good jumps though she wasn't doing quads which could make a difference. I wonder who coached her and if they are still active. I guess we'll also see how he fits into this new system, but I imagine he should still be able to score well if not better if it will award complete skating a bit more evenly. :confused2:

daphenaxa · Apr 4, 2018

Danibellerika said:
I think Shizuka had some pretty good jumps though she wasn't doing quads which could make a difference. I wonder who coached her and if they are still active. I guess we'll also see how he fits into this new system, but I imagine he should still be able to score well if not better if it will award complete skating a bit more evenly. :confused2:

Nagakubo, he retired in 2017. He was Akiko and Sota and Rika Hongo's coach.
But Shizuka had a lot of coaches during her career.

Arriba627 · Apr 4, 2018

daphenaxa said:
I hope Mihoko can get some more recognition (a 1st would be for the eurosport guys to stop calling her Machiko Yamada) and i'm sure Shoma can remain successful without going to the Canadian choreographers who already choreo for every single skater under the sun.

Agree 100%. I love that he has all these different experiences without turning his (and his family's) entire life upside down. Going abroad is not for everyone. There is no "ONE SIZE FITS ALL" solution. I would love to be in the team meetings where they discuss their plans for how to take him all the way to the top. And I think Fluffy's choreography for him is awesome. I think of her as only choreographing for the more well-known skaters like Sho, Kanako, and Mako, but she has actually made hundreds (or is it 1,000s?) of programs. I'm sure he will move forward on his jumps. He has already made incredible progress, considering that he is not a natural jumper and didn't get his 3A or 4T until he was 16. As always, staying injury free will be key.

I doubled checked, and last year we learned what his new programs would be on May 1st and his GP assignments on May 26. Please, please! The sooner the better! :hpull: :dance2: :party2:

And yes, it would be a bonus for commentators to finally figure out who his coaches are. Who knows, maybe the BESP guys will even pronounce their names right, but we'd better not hold our breath! :laugh:

ETA -- Forgot to say, I think Coach Fluffy should come to Chicago with Shoma if he comes again. It would be very beneficial IMO. If I remember correctly, Kori Ade went with Jason when he went (to Anthony Liu?) to work on quads.

Arriba627 · Apr 4, 2018

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhJR3jdlBmd/

Shoma's collection of medals from this season! :jaw:

ETA -- As I have learned, these are not all from this season. Thank you for the correction.

saphire · Apr 4, 2018

daphenaxa said:
interestingly enough, Yamada is the only Japanese coach that has brought olympic medals to Japan with two skaters, Midori and Shoma who didn't have to go abroad to train in order to be successful. I know Shoma has consulted with foreign people like Alex Ourashev, Stéphane, Romain Haguenauer even Sam Chouinard but it was, you know, intermittent stuffs for weeks or days, not moving to train abroad.
Obviously it doesn't take anything away from those who had to move but it's an interesting particularity in Shoma and I like that he now wants to stick with that Japanese team and trust Yamada and Higuchi since they have brought him success.
I think the consulting thing with other people is good and he should continue to seek that. The work that he did with Chouinard about the arm movements for Turandot, i thought was really great. He brought some really cool, modern upper body movements into a very classical theme.
Shoma's take on Vivaldi, which Stephane apparently helped for, also ended up looking very modern in my opinion. That's why i don't really mind when Shoma skates to warhorses, even with classical themes, it doesn't look classical.
I hope Mihoko can get some more recognition (a 1st would be for the eurosport guys to stop calling her Machiko Yamada) and i'm sure Shoma can remain successful without going to the Canadian choreographers who already choreo for every single skater under the sun.

That is annoying. I have noticed that some on Olympic Channel (NBC) in US have done that too.

saphire · Apr 4, 2018

Arriba627 said:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhJR3jdlBmd/

Shoma's collection of medals from this season!

somebody mentioned that he didn't include the plastic star medal from IdF

daphenaxa · Apr 4, 2018

saphire said:
That is annoying. I have noticed that some on Olympic Channel (NBC) in US have done that too.

yes! i don't understand! Machiko is a very recognizable figure in skating being Midori's coach and also Mao's coach when she began as a senior. And Higuchi looks NOTHING like her. It's not mistakes, they really think she is Yamada which is very weird coming from specialists in skating... It would be like calling Buianova Tarasova or something!

Danibellerika · Apr 4, 2018

saphire said:
somebody mentioned that he didn't include the plastic star medal from IdF

Well... Let's just say that much like those coaster medals from the GPF, they don't deserve to see the light of day again. They are not worthy and I can't help but :laugh:

at the omission in silent protest.

xeyra · Apr 4, 2018

saphire said:
somebody mentioned that he didn't include the plastic star medal from IdF

He doesn't have Skate Canada's gold there either, does he?

Edit: Probably for the best because winning gold at Skate Canada cursed him to silvers from then on. :laugh:

saphire · Apr 4, 2018

Arriba627 said:
I doubled checked, and last year we learned what his new programs would be on May 1st and his GP assignments on May 26.
.

The GP assignments came out earlier last year, usually have to wait until end of June. Hopefully they are sooner this year too.

Who knows, maybe the BESP guys will even pronounce their names right, but we'd better not hold our breath!

I laugh with how they pronounce names. They say it how they want to, like how they mispronounce Javier and Guillaume

Danibellerika · Apr 4, 2018

saphire said:
The GP assignments came out earlier last year, usually have to wait until end of June. Hopefully they are sooner this year too.

I laugh with how they pronounce names. They say it how they want to, like how they mispronounce Javier and Guillaume

When they were pronouncing poor Daisuke's name in the early days...:disagree::disagree::disagree: :slink:

Cringe-worthy. Shoma's name seems pretty easy enough to me but I still hear people get it wrong. One time I heard him be called "Una".

Arriba627 · Apr 4, 2018

saphire said:
The GP assignments came out earlier last year, usually have to wait until end of June. Hopefully they are sooner this year too.

I laugh with how they pronounce names. They say it how they want to, like how they mispronounce Javier and Guillaume

Yes, I remember us speculating that maybe things were earlier last year because of the Olympics. The earlier the better with the GP assignments. People need to know so they can plan, especially if they work. At least they told us the cities earlier...Their pronunciation is legendary ( and not in a good way!) But I still love them! :luv17: I think what made me crazier was Tracy Wilson mispronouncing Javier! Come on Tracy! That's your own skater!

Danibellerika · Apr 4, 2018

Arriba627 said:
Yes, I remember us speculating that maybe things were earlier last year because of the Olympics. The earlier the better with the GP assignments. People need to know so they can plan, especially if they work. At least they told us the cities earlier...Their pronunciation is legendary ( and not in a good way!) But I still love them! :luv17: I think what made me crazier was Tracy Wilson mispronouncing Javier! Come on Tracy! That's your own skater!

It is also a pet peeve of mine. I don't know what it is with Canadian commentators, but I noticed they tend to flatten the vowels. They say "Have-ee" while in the US we'll say "Hah-vee". I give Johnny credit in that he seems to make an effort on the names.

Arriba627 · Apr 4, 2018

Danibellerika said:
It is also a pet peeve of mine. I don't know what it is with Canadian commentators, but I noticed they tend to flatten the vowels. They say "Have-ee" while in the US we'll say "Hah-vee". I give Johnny credit in that he seems to make an effort on the names.

Johnny does great with the names, and Tanith White is a real stickler for correct name pronunciation...I remember someone explaining to us in a thread about names / pronunciation that the British thinking is to pronounce names with an English style pronunciation, and any attempt at the foreign language pronunciation is considered "putting on airs". Oh dear. :scratch3:

saphire · Apr 4, 2018

Arriba627 said:
Johnny does great with the names, and Tanith White is a real stickler for correct name pronunciation...I remember someone explaining to us in a thread about names / pronunciation that the British thinking is to pronounce names with an English style pronunciation, and any attempt at the foreign language pronunciation is considered "putting on airs". Oh dear. :scratch3:

really? I always thought it was more like putting on airs that they didn't bother to find out and use correct pronunciation.

nolangoh · Apr 4, 2018

Arriba627 said:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhJR3jdlBmd/

Shoma's collection of medals from this season!

Not to mean anything, but I personally really think silver is a much better-looking colour than gold :laugh:

Of course I hope he can get more gold in the future !

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