I'm worried 05' Worlds!

[novaspacedout]

I am extremely bothered by the possibility that even though Brian Joubert might put out the ultimate, beautiful, amazing performance of a lfetime Plushenko will win even though he might have a mediocre program. I pray that something like this doesn't happen! I mean look at what happened at the 04' Worlds: the German Stefan Lindemann robbed Stephane Lambiel of his bronze. Stephane Lindemann is a good skater, but nothing extraordinary. Now Lambiel is an amazing talent with awesome choreography that takes my breath away each time I watch him skate. I would like Irina Slutskaya to get back on the podium though. But the men's competition needs Joubert to win. So if he skates the best, give him (joubert) the gold, not Plushenko. But if Plushenko skates better than Joubert does FINE he wins! But please give the gold to who skates the best, not to who is favorite? Please we already saw this cruelty at Europeans when Plushenko got a medal when Frederic Dambier SHOULD HAVE GOT IT! Plushenko can stand to be OFF the podium. So unfair is judging! It is depressing at times! :(

[thvudragon]

Even IF Lambiel was placed third in the LP, he still would have been 4th overall because of his poor SP placement.

And Dambier should have beaten Plush at Euros? Dambier with his empty program full of nothing but spread eagles and random arm waving was placed 4th and I think justifiably, but hey, that's just me. Plushenko still had better technical content despite the falls I thought.

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[Joesitz]

Nova = I wouldn't worry about it. I believe they will be using the CoP system. If that works, the best sportsman will win the technical. The Presentation continues to be a subjective score despite the limitations in the CoP. Those +s and -s will still help the biased judge to play hankey pankey. That's the nature of the sport.

The horror of it all, is that we won't know what judge is playing games. The secrecy continues. And even if they take the matter up in the followiing May, it will just be to slap the judge on the wrist and won't change the present scores.

Btw, your ignoring Lindemann is not good.

Joe

[icenut84]

Originally posted by novaspacedout
But the men's competition needs Joubert to win.

Why, exactly, does the men's competition "need" Joubert to win? Because he's your favourite? If he skates the best, he deserves to win, of course he does. Like at Europeans, when he skated the best and won. But Plushenko is a better all-around skater with more complexity in his routines and his repertoire, which is why he wins more often. I don't think any competition "needs" someone imparticular to win - apart from the skater who is best on the night.

[Zanzibar]

Hey...the competition is in Moscow. Code of Points or not, if a healthy Plushenko competes and doesn't win....it will be THE upset to talk about for years to come.
Brian doesn't need it anyway...he wants to be ready to peak at the Olympics.

[euterpe]

Dambier isn't a podium skater because all of his jumps are landed weirdly and he has to use body English to 'save' them--at Euros, he did not have one clean jump landing in his FS. I find his skating (and Klimkin's) excruciating to watch, because I know in advance there will be no smooth going.

Lindemann was able to hold it together when it counted, and Lambiel was not. Lambiel is a wonderful skater, but he is not a consistent skater: you never know which Stephane will show up--the one who lands his jumps and skates smoothly and with spirit, or the other Stephane, who flubs his jumps and skates erratically. When Lambiel is on, he approaches greatness, but when he is not, he can be dull and boring. Personally, Lindemann isn't my type of skater---big on energy, low on polish. But he did deserve his bronze medal.

I am a big Plushenko fan, and I don't see all the hullaballoo about Joubert. I find him stiff and his spins mediocre. Plushenko isn't a great spinner, either, but he is better than Brian in that department. Joubert can improve between now and February 2006, but right now, he does not measure up technically to Plushenko. IMHO, none of the skaters do.

[Antilles]

Nova, you could take Plushy's winning next year as a positive sign for Joubert. Since 1987, the man who wins Worlds before an Olympics hasn't been able to win Olympics. Maybe Plushy doesn't want it next year.

[lavender]

I was thinking why do we need Joubert to win worlds. It would be nice to see Buttle win too along with a few other great skates.

[berthes ghost]

Since 1987, the man who wins Worlds before an Olympics hasn't been able to win Olympics.

Is Plushy Canadian?

Out of the 19 winter Oly champs, only 7 of the men were world champs the previous year. Ladies faired better: 15 of the 19 were reighning world champs.

[Antilles]

True, most of those guys from '87 on were Canadian. However, Plushy was the last guy to win Worlds right before the Olympics, but he didn't win in 2002.

[SusanBeth]

Remember Plushenko lost twice this year. He hasn't been unbeatable. Though his getting on the podium at Euros after that skate does make you wonder. The truth, IMO, is that a clean Joubert just isn't a match for a clean Plushenko. His spins aren't good and he needs to clean up his presentation. He still has time before 2006. I wouldn't worry too much about whether he wins next year. The important thing is to see how much progress he has made. I hope he gives Plushenko a real battle at the Olympics. I don't have my heart set on any particular skater winning. I would just love to see a bunch of great performances.

[Ladskater]

berthes ghost:

quote:Since 1987, the man who wins Worlds before an Olympics hasn't been able to win Olympics. Is Plushy Canadian?

What's this supposed to mean?

[Antilles]

It means the winner of '87 Worlds was Brian Orser. 91 and 93 were Kurt Browning. 97 was Stojko. There's a pattern here. I don't believe the reason they didn't win is because they're Canadian. It's just coincidence, IMO. Besides, Plushy broker that Cdn mold in 02.

[Spinner]

Originally posted by Ladskater
What's this supposed to mean?

1987--Brian Orser won worlds, didn't win 88 Olys
1991 and 1993--Kurt Browning won worlds, didn't win 92 or 94 Olys
1997--Elvis Stojko won worlds, didn't win 98 Olys.

All Canadian men.

2001--Plushy won worlds, didn't win 02 Olys. That's the correlation made. Just a joke.

[gracefulswan]

Originally posted by novaspacedout
I am extremely bothered by the possibility that even though Brian Joubert might put out the ultimate, beautiful, amazing performance of a lfetime Plushenko will win even though he might have a mediocre program. I pray that something like this doesn't happen! I mean look at what happened at the 04' Worlds: the German Stefan Lindemann robbed Stephane Lambiel of his bronze. Stephane Lindemann is a good skater, but nothing extraordinary. Now Lambiel is an amazing talent with awesome choreography that takes my breath away each time I watch him skate. I would like Irina Slutskaya to get back on the podium though. But the men's competition needs Joubert to win. So if he skates the best, give him (joubert) the gold, not Plushenko. But if Plushenko skates better than Joubert does FINE he wins! But please give the gold to who skates the best, not to who is favorite? Please we already saw this cruelty at Europeans when Plushenko got a medal when Frederic Dambier SHOULD HAVE GOT IT! Plushenko can stand to be OFF the podium. So unfair is judging! It is depressing at times! :(

what does this mean? no, the men's competition doesn't NEED joubert to win anymore than it needs plush to win. btw, yea it will be tough for joubert to beat a clean plush in his home country. you might have some reason to lament already.... plush has the overall package right now. joubert will have to earn world gold medals and the olympic title over plushenko. and, no, i don't think plushenko will make it that easy for him as you are hoping, LOL. what? so then you can scream, "he was robbed!"