Team "We don't stop!" until the world burns

Meoima · Feb 21, 2016

With all the comebacks: V/M, Mao, Carolina, Patrick, Aliona...
Shouldn't they form a special team for them called "We don't stop!!" For the next Olympic, they might get the team gold. :laugh:

And shouldn't we make a list of all retired competitiors in the past who came back and still medalled well? Plushenko, G/G, Pasha and Platov... Anyone else? :scratch2:

adelia · Feb 21, 2016

Good one.

Rossig · Feb 21, 2016

Pasha and Platov...

They don't belong to this group. They competed for the whole period between 1994 and 1998.

machin · Feb 21, 2016

Rossig said:
They don't belong to this group. They competed for the whole period between 1994 and 1998.

missed 2 GP series though.

Rossig · Feb 21, 2016

machin said:
missed 2 GP series though.

Still it wasn't because they retired. And didn't miss World or European Championships, which are imho much more important competitions.

machin · Feb 21, 2016

Rossig said:
Still it wasn't because they retired. And didn't miss World or European Championships, which are imho much more important competitions.

And ? Did I said this ? :rolleye:

Rossig · Feb 21, 2016

machin said:
And ? Did I said this ?

No, but it sounded as if you you agree with putting them into the group of skaters who retired and then came back. If that's not what you tried to say, then I'm sorry.

Meoima · Feb 21, 2016

Rossig said:
They don't belong to this group. They competed for the whole period between 1994 and 1998.

Took some break then come back team.

sabinfire · Feb 21, 2016

Meoima said:
With all the comebacks: V/M, Mao, Carolina, Patrick, Aliona...
Shouldn't they form a special team for them called "We don't stop!!" For the next Olympic, they might get the team gold.

Sounds like a great premise for a new series of movie trailers -- the skaters that can't stop won't stop! :laugh:

Giselle · Feb 21, 2016

Meoima said:
And shouldn't we make a list of all retired competitiors in the past who came back and still medalled well? Plushenko, G/G, Pasha and Platov... Anyone else?

Queen Yuna :bow:

CanadianSkaterGuy · Feb 21, 2016

machin said:
missed 2 GP series though.

No offense, but this was 90's ice dance. Where there's a hierarchy of standings depending on whoever is skating, regardless of how well teams actually perform (save for major errors). G/P missing champions/Grand Prix series events is negligible since if they ever competed in that time, with whatever program, they would most definitely win because they were at the top of said hierarchy. Ice dance wasn't about who was best on the day - it was often about waiting for people to retire so you can be "allowed" to move up in the standings and win stuff.

Meoima · Feb 21, 2016

CanadianSkaterGuy said:
No offense, but this was 90's ice dance. Where there's a hierarchy of standings depending on whoever is skating, regardless of how well teams actually perform (save for major errors). G/P missing champions/Grand Prix series events is negligible as if they ever competed again, with whatever program, they would most definitely win because they were at the top of said hierarchy.

I don't think it has changed much even under CoP....especially that so-called hierarchy.

CanadianSkaterGuy · Feb 21, 2016

Meoima said:
I don't think it has changed much even under CoP....especially that so-called hierarchy.

Uh, have you not followed ice dance this season and last? Or watched V/M and D/W trade wins (although yes they were slated to take the top 2 spots regardless), or Denkova/Staviski winning one year and being displaced another year? Look at any ice dance event under CoP and you'll see that Short dance and Free Dance placements vary from each other, compared to the CD/OD/FD copy-and-paste placements pre-CoP when the standings were all but pre-determined prior to each competition and maintained unless people made significant errors (which was rare).

Meoima · Feb 21, 2016

CanadianSkaterGuy said:
Uh, have you not followed ice dance this season and last? Or watched V/M and D/W trade wins (although yes they were slated to take the top 2 spots regardless), or Denkova/Staviski winning one year and being displaced another year? Look at any ice dance event under CoP and you'll see that Short dance and Free Dance placements vary from each other, compared to the CD/OD/FD copy-and-paste placements pre-CoP when the standings were all but pre-determined prior to each competition and maintained unless people made significant errors (which was rare).

well it hasn't even changed much in my opinion. I mean... Look at how C/B PCS has been constantly so high even when their tech fails.

Giselle · Feb 21, 2016

We can add Volosozhar/Trankov and Adelina Sotnikova to the current "comeback team".
I just realized that Davis and White are the only Olympic champions from Sotchi that have not competed since.

We might have similar results in 2018 as in 2014:

Men:
Yuzuru Hanyu - Still competing
Patrick Chan - Came back this year
Denis Ten - Still competing

Ladies:
Adelina Sotnikova - Came back this year
Kim Yuna - Retired (could comeback, you never know)
Carolina Kostner - Coming back next season

Pairs:
Tatiana Volosozhar / Maxim Trankov - Came back this year
Ksenia Stolbova / Fedor Klimov - Still competing
Aliona Savchenko / Robin Szolkowy - Aliona came back this year

Ice Dance:
Meryl Davis / Charlie White - Taking seasons off, never said they retired (could comeback)
Tessa Virtue / Scott Moir - Coming back next season
Elena Ilinykh / Nikita Katsalapov - Competing with different partners

Giselle · Feb 21, 2016

CanadianSkaterGuy said:
Uh, have you not followed ice dance this season and last? Or watched V/M and D/W trade wins (although yes they were slated to take the top 2 spots regardless), or Denkova/Staviski winning one year and being displaced another year? Look at any ice dance event under CoP and you'll see that Short dance and Free Dance placements vary from each other, compared to the CD/OD/FD copy-and-paste placements pre-CoP when the standings were all but pre-determined prior to each competition and maintained unless people made significant errors (which was rare).

Denkova/Staviski won the World title both in 2006 and 2007.

CanadianSkaterGuy · Feb 21, 2016

Meoima said:
well it hasn't even changed much in my opinion. I mean... Look at how C/B PCS has been constantly so high even when their tech fails.

Yeah, PCS stays high and as a way of the judges helping out their favourites, but thanks to TES, skaters are actually held accountable for the technical elements. In the 90s nobody cared if the turns in G/P's step sequences had a sufficient amount of variety or if they were on the right edges. If they went clean, they were the de facto winners. There weren't even many defined elements in ice dance --- it was about who performed the dance the best and not necessarily who skated the best.

CanadianSkaterGuy · Feb 21, 2016

Giselle said:
Denkova/Staviski won the World title both in 2006 and 2007.

I mean like 2003-2004 where they were 2nd in the World and won Grand Prix events and then came 5th a year after. Under 6.0, usually the ice dance team on top would continue to win most competitions until they retired. But more telling was the standings where the results of the CD/OD/FD were essentially copy and pasted from each other, if everyone went clean.

solani · Feb 21, 2016

Torvill/Dean. They still medalled, but weren't as successful as expected and this was heavily criticised. Possible fate of all champions who decide to return. They're all taking a risk.

Layback11 · Feb 21, 2016

sabinfire said:
Sounds like a great premise for a new series of movie trailers -- the skaters that can't stop won't stop!

Hmm...I'll try :biggrin:

Team "We don't stop!" until the world burns

Meoima

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adelia

Rossig

machin

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Meoima

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Giselle

CanadianSkaterGuy

Meoima

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Meoima

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Giselle

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solani

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