I konw she had changed her jump direction. I know she practices long time: 36 hours a week, right? I also know she was weak on her leg muscles.
So what?
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I konw she had changed her jump direction. I know she practices long time: 36 hours a week, right? I also know she was weak on her leg muscles.
So what?
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So what? Knowing all that you still claim she is cheating deliberately? That's why she is training with two jump coaches (Yamato Tamura and Ilia Kulik)? You're basically saying they teach her how to cheat. At this point your comments are becoming more and more inappropriate.
Rubbish is what 【Karne】said. I have to repeat her words, otherwise how can they know who I want to ask about? It is not me that think or say that coach is rubbish.
And no one here said Miyahara did not work hard. If someone said so, might you point out please?
I only said, she pre-rotates deliberately. And she quite benefited from it because the judges did not give her low goe. (Please do not say the judges have cared about this so her pcs was low.) She can work hard to pre-rotate. These two questions are not contradictory.
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I suggest we stop here and let people discuss the issue of prerotating without disrespecting skaters or coaches.
I don't say her coaches teach her to cheat.In fact, if you read what I said, I said the other students of the coach did not have same technical questions. That is why I question about the 'rubbish coach'. I don't think Miyahara's pre-rotation has something to do with her coaches, since you cannot see other students do the same. That was her own experience.
【Please do not fabricate what I have not said.】
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I suggest we stop here and let people discuss the issue of prerotating without disrespecting skaters or coaches.
She is not working hard in order to fix her pre-rotation. But she is working hard to clean her program with a habbit of pre-rotation.
Can you understand and find the difference?
You are sounding more and more ridiculous.
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Some of the posts in this thread are awful and offensive. These are young people doing the best they can and working hard. The least we can all do is be respectful in our words.
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I think Satoko gets the most attention because in addition to PR her jumps are unusually low and have virtually zero step up into a quality air position. To me her jumps have the same look and feel as what a half loop does. An extremely utilitarian movement.
During the last video I made I noticed how much Ashley PR's on her jumps and then obviously UR's at times too but she launches into the air and has power and height and even some flair to her jumps that create an x-factor that I think should put her jumps in another league as Satoko even when flawed but go check the protocols. This only exists in my mind.
I certainly don't think Satoko is a cheater in the sense that some are dramatizing it here but what she's doing is masking the fact that she can't do triples by pre rotating to a point that her UR is at or around 90 degrees. If you add up her PR and UR it is almost at and at times even over 360 degrees.
This whole discussion is pointless because as it is now the IJS tech panels and judges are rewarding her jumps. That's a fact.
During the last video I made I noticed how much Ashley PR's on her jumps and then obviously UR's at times too but she launches into the air and has power and height and even some flair to her jumps that create an x-factor that I think should put her jumps in another league as Satoko even when flawed but go check the protocols. This only exists in my mind.
I certainly don't think Satoko is a cheater in the sense that some are dramatizing it here but what she's doing is masking the fact that she can't do triples by pre rotating to a point that her UR is at or around 90 degrees. If you add up her PR and UR it is almost at and at times even over 360 degrees.
This whole discussion is pointless because as it is now the IJS tech panels and judges are rewarding her jumps. That's a fact.
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Well since you have made many jumpamatrons can you look at this and honestly say that Satoko's jumps in 2016 are worse than they were 3 years ago? Because I feel like people are only seeing what they want to see and claim what they want to claim.
https://youtu.be/nSgB33T2qS8?t=4m21s
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Forgive me for knowing the answer but......What is a "Toe Axel?"
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Look at Nam's quad toe in slow motion and you will understand.
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Can you be more specific? From which event? SP or LP ? Finally, what am I looking for? How do get an axel out of a toe loop?
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I don't know either, but since this seems to be a guessing game nowCan you be more specific? From which event? SP or LP ? Finally, what am I looking for? How do get an axel out of a toe loop?
the linguistic Sherlock in me would assume that it's a toe loop with so much pre-rotation that you end up with a forward take off. Am I close?
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I don't know either, but since this seems to be a guessing game now
Am I close?
That makes sense........Thank you.
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I made another video but this time comparing her jumps from 2012 and 2016. I'm not sure if this particular video is going to be very helpful or add much to the discussion but since we are focusing on PR in this thread I focused the editing primarily on any PR.
Satoko Before and After
https://youtu.be/Xjpdn1_BHlE
Available up to 720p HD
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As seen earlier in this thread some claim her jumps have gotten worse since 2012. I won't express my opinion in order to not appear biased, I'm waiting for other opinions.
ETA: that was NHK 2015 (which was half a year ago already), something like Worlds or TCC would have been preferable but thanks anyway.
Here's a nice slow-mo from TCC
https://youtu.be/IbjGBex-Y_I?t=4m32s
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