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Definitely, Mathman. When we have so many disagreements online, imagine how it is for the judges LOL I won't comment on politics, I prefer to talk about the skating than conspiracy theories and I would wish that more posters would be like this... It's sad to see threads about skating turning into politics and blocs discussions where in the most part there aren't substantiated evidence or proof of it. I believe politics play a factor, yes, but when people get too caught up on the politics they forget to see what is going on on the ice. And sometimes they miss something that justifies a placement, while they are busy discussing the politics. Politics are a factor - not THE factor. THE factor is the skating. Besides, like we already said, even the judges disagree themselves, why can't those disagreements be attributed to different ways of watching the skating rather than being attributed to politics and corruption all the time? Maybe it's a wrong approach, but at least when we're talking about skating we have a basis, when we talk about politics there is only endless suppositions.Mathman said:Whenever I read debates of this sort it brings home to me what an impossible task the judges face. They, too, know that the difference in difficulty between a 3F and a 3R is 5%, that Arakawa had a tilt on the 3Z, and all the rest of it. Yet despite their years of training, we still see subjective appraisals and placements all over the chart. Mathman
Hockeyfan, thanks for the post, it was interesting to read it and it definitely brought some relevant points But first, COP wasn't used, which means that under OBO rules the "factoring" can change. You were dealing with percentages and all it takes is the percentage in one rule to change and your analysis would have a different result. Also, COP isn't perfect, so I always take some exception when people use it to define elements in terms of quality. Yeah, but we gotta start from somewhere, though LOL So it was interesting to read your analysis of the programs with COP. Personally, I think Ando's loop would be considered a triple, but maybe I am wrong.
What about the rest of the ladies in the SP? Where would you place them? I thought this was one of the hardest portions of an event to judge. The top 6 skated clean, all with different jump combinations and of course, then the different strengths of each skater plays a role, and then there is the time problem on Kwan's program.