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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyfan228
    While he might match Honda on paper, Honda actually has landed quads that aren't two-footed.
    Well, so has Weiss. He landed one in the short program at 2003 Worlds, for instance, and at a few other competitions in the past. It's not at all consistent, but he *has* done it.

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    To use a very old saying......"If you don't like what you see, don't watch!" Simple as that..........that's what the scan button on the t.v. (or vcr) controls are for. I for one enjoy Michael's skating. If I think a skater, male or female, is getting too full of themself, I hit the mute button. Don't you love technology? 42

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyfan228
    In his best years at Worlds Weiss has finished 2nd in the qualis and 3rd in the SP and LP.
    And those are darn good results! How many other skaters wouldn't like to have those oh so shameful results in their competitive record Just because he isn't Scott Hamilton or Brian Boitano doesn't mean he shouldn't be respected as well as his accomplishments.

    Since everybody's relying on "what if's", I'm going to do the same. If Weiss didn't happen to be from the Yagudin-Plushenko era, I would bet he would be a World Champion by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIskatingfan
    And those are darn good results! How many other skaters wouldn't like to have those oh so shameful results in their competitive record Just because he isn't Scott Hamilton or Brian Boitano doesn't mean he shouldn't be respected as well as his accomplishments.

    Since everybody's relying on "what if's", I'm going to do the same. If Weiss didn't happen to be from the Yagudin-Plushenko era, I would bet he would be a World Champion by now.
    I didn't argue that these were shameful results. As Joesitz asked for examples of his arrogance, I argued that it was arrogant to publicize hiring a victory wagon for a World Championships in which he was not a favorite, and didn't even have the programs on paper to be competitive with Plushenko, Goebel, and Honda.

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    Mike Weiss at Worlds

    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyfan228
    I didn't argue that these were shameful results. As Joesitz asked for examples of his arrogance, I argued that it was arrogant to publicize hiring a victory wagon for a World Championships in which he was not a favorite, and didn't even have the programs on paper to be competitive with Plushenko, Goebel, and Honda.
    Actually, in the 2003 Worlds SP I thought that Mike was skating at a level to actually beat Plushenko (nevermind Tim) -- I was like "holy cow! what are the judges going to do with THAT performance?!" And then, of course, he fell on his triple lutz, so it was all moot. But he actually DID have the goods, had he been able to deliver. Even 2000 Worlds was really a missed opportunity. Quad or not, if he had skated in Nice like he did in Cleveland, he might have actually won the thing. Not likely, but given the messy performances of Yagudin and Plushenko's frantic search for the missing quad, Mike actually stood a chance of winning then. His "Carmen" free program was really a good one.

    Bravado and an unsuccessful attempt to psyche himself up to win in his hometown is what I would use to describe his "limo rental remarks" -- not arrogance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan5
    Actually, in the 2003 Worlds SP I thought that Mike was skating at a level to actually beat Plushenko (nevermind Tim) -- I was like "holy cow! what are the judges going to do with THAT performance?!" And then, of course, he fell on his triple lutz, so it was all moot.
    Yup, I was there and that was what I thought too -- if Weiss hadn't missed that lutz, he would have been in first place in the short, because up to that point he had been having a great skate, probably the best I had ever seen him do. Plus Plushenko had a wonky landing on his axel, Goebel's presentation and in-between skating is nowhere near the quality of Weiss's, and Honda had a wonky landing on his quad and only tacked on a double toe instead of a triple, so first place was really well within his reach.

    BTW, it's also untrue that Weiss has never won a competition phase at Worlds. He won his qualifying round in DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyfan228
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    I would say that in this light it was arrogant of Weiss to state publically that he was renting a hummer limo to celebrate his victory at 2003 Worlds.

    How about making an announcement prior to Nationals (2003) that he bought tickets for his entire "clan" to cheer him on in DC for upcoming Worlds? Wouldn't that be classified as arrogance? Don't you need to qualify first? If he wouldn't not be the last man standing (out of the top 4) he had a strong chance of missing the Worlds all together.

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    The day I stopped being even remotely a fan of Mikey was after the short program at US Nationals 2003, when he made the comment about Weir and Savoie skating like "junior" skaters. Mikey deserved his fourth place finish, and he is not some 17 year old who got a microphone stuck in his face, he is a mature adult who should've known when to keep his mouth shut. I love that one of the "junior" skaters trounced on him this year at Nationals.

    Having said, he can keep skating as long as he wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessLeppard
    The day I stopped being even remotely a fan of Mikey was after the short program at US Nationals 2003, when he made the comment about Weir and Savoie skating like "junior" skaters.
    But that's not exactly what he said.... this is what he had to say about it in the interview (http://www.goldenskate.com/articles/2003/051604.shtml) posted on the main GoldenSkate website a few months ago:

    "Latara: Why did you say such bad things about Johnny Weir and Matt Savoie's skating at last year's nationals?

    Mike: I have a lot of respect for my competitors. I know the hard work that is put in to compete at this level and I would not intentionally put down another skaters hard work. Sometimes the press will interpret things differently than intended, and that is part of our sport.

    I am not sure what was written, but what I said when asked how Johnny and Matt's programs would compare to others technically at the World Championships, I replied that artistically they are as good as anyone at Worlds. They are both strong spinners and have good footwork. But technically, at Junior Worlds you can win with a triple axel. Not at Worlds. You need a quad in the short program to compete for a medal.

    Somehow that was construed as me saying their skating was "Junior-ish" and that I felt I should have been ahead of them. I did not feel that way at all. They skated better than me that night.

    When asked about my marks, I said I felt a 4.9 was harsh for a program with a quad toeloop combination, but I didn't feel my placement was unjust. Just the mark.

    I have learned over the years that the members of the media are still actual people that have emotions and that those emotions are attached to what they write. So as a skater, my emotions are likewise attached to how I perform. These feelings make it difficult to keep an unbiased opinion. So it comes as no surprise to me that things are often lost in the translation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    And what has happened to Ilia Kulic? A skater who vastly improved when he got into Kurt's show. He's not there anymore?
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    Joe, in fall Ilia Kulik will appear in Kristi Yamaguchi show (Salute To American Music). Yes, I remember that you liked his skating very much in previous season´s Bacharach show.

    With the exception of the Kristi show and another show in August in Japan, Ilia´s plans are not known to his fans, yet. Unfortunately he is not appearing in Ice Wars (he was AWESOME past season), but we can hope that there would be Skater´s Championships (World Pro) as a pro event and that Ilia will participate.

    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyfan228
    I didn't argue that these were shameful results. As Joesitz asked for examples of his arrogance, I argued that it was arrogant to publicize hiring a victory wagon for a World Championships in which he was not a favorite, and didn't even have the programs on paper to be competitive with Plushenko, Goebel, and Honda.
    I did not take that as a sign for some arrogance at all. Weiss simply did that just because he tried to force himself to skate better in this way. It was like voluntarily putting oneself into a tight corner to get out of himself more at the competition. Unfortunately this try-out did not succeed better, but at last he tried.

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    I have learned over the years that the members of the media are still actual people that have emotions and that those emotions are attached to what they write. So as a skater, my emotions are likewise attached to how I perform. These feelings make it difficult to keep an unbiased opinion. So it comes as no surprise to me that things are often lost in the translation."
    Thank you, ATW, for putting at least this incident into perspective.......42

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    For some reason, some fans hold a lot of contempt for Michael for what is perceived arrogance; others and myself included just consider his performances and not his personality. I agree sometimes a performer (not necessarily a skater) who is perceived as having a personality defect by some, can get in the way of his popularity. For example, some fans hate Brittany Speres(SP?) others love her. But how well does she actually perform may well be based on the personal perceptions of others while she is off stage.

    I don't hate Michael Weiss as others appear to based on his personality. Even given the fact that he is a family man doesn't influence me as to his skating ability. As a skater, imo, Weiss is fine but not among my top favorites. As so many have said, he needs to go in a different direction in his choreography. I agree!!

    My list of favorite male skaters are short: Lambiel for the sheer joy he shows in skating and Klimkin who for me has the most original style in the whole of figure skating including the ladies. Neither have quads nor do I care.

    The two top skaters for me and this is based on performance not personality: one does nothing but mug the audience and judges; the other is so wooden in his performance. Both have the almighty quad. That's good for them, because imo, they would be nothing without them.

    But, by all means for those who must hate Michael, continue to do so. It's your prerogative. I'll just continue to ruminate on his skating.

    BTW, can you imagine a Flamenco Dancer without arrogance? Maybe those Carmen skaters can show us some arrogance instead of mugging and batting the eyelashes.

    Joe

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    Thanks for the interesting quotes, Andy W.

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    Joe, I would like to point out that Lambiel has a quad, and that was successful in Worlds 2004 freeskate (I´m not sure but I think that he also jumped it in combination). Otherwise I share your opinion about Lambiel totally.

    BTW, in a previous message I answered your comment about Ilia Kulik, and would like to add the following: In the new August BOI magazine there was Steve Disson (the organizer of e.g. Burt Bacharach Tribute On Ice) article and he mentions as his opinion that Ilia Kulik´s A House Is Not A Home, with James Ingram, from that event was one of the highlights of the year. He did not mention any other highlights by name.

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    Klimkin, also, may have been inconsistent with his quads lately, but he does have the distinction of having been the first skater to land two different quads (salchow and toe loop) in the same program. (He did it at 1999 Nebelhorn a few weeks before Tim Goebel first landed three quads -- two salchows and a toe loop -- at Skate America that year.)

    Back in juniors ca. 1998 and 99, Klimkin had a quad sal before he had a triple axel.

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