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I'm telling ya. Press conferences afterwards where the judges have to answer for their calls to coaches would be all sorts of next level fun 
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ISU votes to abolish anonymous judging
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Fun for sure. But judges do not have to answer to coaches or skaters. They just have to judge. :yes:
By the way, I don't think that the results from Sochi provide a very good example of why anonymous judging is good or bad. Sotnikova won by 5 tech points on elements in the long program. Otherwise everything was pretty even with nothing much to remark on in terms of the scores of individual judges.
It would be fun to know whether Ukraine (Balkov), Russia (Shokhovtsova), Slovakia and Estonia ganged up on Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, and how the French judge voted. Or whether any judge low-balled one skater and pumped up another or whether all the judges just went along with the flow….
Actually, that would be fun.
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You've been always saying like this as if you were one of the judging panels or Techical team, or authorities of ISU. You've been also very vocal about how hard judges' job would be, sort of things. Intriguing.
As for the second sentence, no thanks for the revisionist history.
Since you mention about all of the wins, no. While the ladies' single event is the most noticeable example just as the quoted article in the OP using a photo taken from Sochi after the ladies's free skate, V/T's WR, S/K's silver over S/S and P/T in pairs, the podium finish in ice dance including I/K's bronze over P/B and Julia winning the SP segment over Carolina at the team event were all controversial as well.
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What do you expect from the federation without any independent organization for figure skating known as a sincere follower of ISU? The federation is also known for strong favoritism on short track than figure skating, not wanting any other winter sports to overpower short track. It is a matter of sharing the pie.
This could be a minority view, but I have always thought her country doesn't deserve Yuna. I wished she changed her nationality to a country with a big power during her career just like a short track skater who formerly competed for South Korea and then competed for Russia at Sochi.
Hurray! I think this is a wise move. Anonymity of judges only added to the potential for deceptive or incompetent judging. Every judge should be able to justify his/her scores. There is always room for interpretation but the wide spread of some scores awarded for the same skater is either incompetency or undue favoritism for or against a skater. If there's a need to better train a judge, then so be it. But if there is unjustified low/high scoring then that judge should be called out and potentially removed. I know there is gray area here but I think it's a very good move prior to the next Olympics.
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Groan out loud the whole thread... been there done that... same old same old.
Of course 'they' do NOW! They system is broken, judging results at the highest level have been a joke and has long been exploited to the max. Now it is all about self perservation now former victim Korea is hosting the Olympics.
'Thieves' and 'opportunists' are really the same side of the same coin, to watch them in feared of being robbed in indignation is comical to the extreme.
Of course 'they' do NOW! They system is broken, judging results at the highest level have been a joke and has long been exploited to the max. Now it is all about self perservation now former victim Korea is hosting the Olympics.
'Thieves' and 'opportunists' are really the same side of the same coin, to watch them in feared of being robbed in indignation is comical to the extreme.
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Fun for sure. But judges do not have to answer to coaches or skaters. They just have to judge. :yes:
By the way, I don't think that the results from Sochi provide a very good example of why anonymous judging is good or bad. Sotnikova won by 5 tech points on elements in the long program. Otherwise everything was pretty even with nothing much to remark on in terms of the scores of individual judges.
It would be fun to know whether Ukraine (Balkov), Russia (Shokhovtsova), Slovakia and Estonia ganged up on Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, and how the French judge voted. Or whether any judge low-balled one skater and pumped up another or whether all the judges just went along with the flow….
Actually, that would be fun.
I would go even further: all bad naughty judges have to meet 'The Face' afterwards. Tête-à-tête.I'm telling ya. Press conferences afterwards where the judges have to answer for their calls to coaches would be all sorts of next level fun
ETA, this: http://www.trbimg.com/img-52f95049/...wagner-not-impressed-mckayla-maroney-20140210
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Oh, trust me judging in figure skating is way much better than few other 'subjective' sports.
I'm all in for transparent judging, so yay. No more anonymous judging!
Exactly this!
I am a follower of other judged "artistic" sport (dancesport to be exact) and trust me figure skating judging is much better, with clearer guidelines of scoring. And the fact that you can point out if something is wrong with the judging said it already. There will always be controversy in artistic sports because let us be real art is very subjective. At the end of the day whomever have better artistry is just a matter of popularity anyway. I doubt anonymous judging will change anything drastically, but it is nice to know which judge give which score to which skater.
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V/T completely deserved their WR for that essentially perfect SP...
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Whether I agree or not about their WR, that topic has been discussed. Weir said their SP was not as much top-notch as theirs at the team event or in other events during the season. That is not my biggest issue with the pair judging though.
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"Controversy" is a matter of opinion. Winning by several points is objectively "decisive." There were "controversial" outcomes before and after anonymous judging. None of the gold winners were close enough that the outcome would have been affected by anonymous judging alone. People can criticize virtually every outcome and blame anonymous judging, so to that extent I'm very happy it is coming to an end and, in fact, I hope they de-anonymize previous results so you understand how decisive some of those controversial decisions were since we can only speculate with math and statistics.
If you are talking about Victor Ahn, it's a whole diffent story
He was the victim of corruption and feuding of the federation and had no choice but to change his nationality to compete in the 2014 Olympics
Yes, he won 3 gold medals (plus 1 bronze medal) but it's not by the benefit of his new Russian citizenship
Yuna Kim is one of the biggest and most beloved stars in South Korea
Forbes estimated that she earned $14 million in 2013 and her income was mostly from numerous advertising and sponsorship deals
I'm really sick and tired of some fans saying 'this world doesn't deserve Yuna' ...
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It is? Controversy means a lot of people thought one person should have won and a lot of people thought the other person should have won. This occurred in Sochi, whatever the points added up to.
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Scary, but your post is so you!
Unlike your concern, we haven't heard of any concerning news regarding figure skating judges's safety who actually got penalized for cheating such as Yuri Balkov under the 6.0 system, also one of the Sochi judging panels in ladies up until now. Wait, Lakernik and Alla Shekhovtsova even got elected for members of the new ISU committee. Thus, we don't need safety concerns about judges, especially those with Putin's blessing.
As you mention about assault, I'm more concerned about skaters' safety because assault from a "psycho" fan or a very frustrated person in life can be very dangerous given the 1994 Olympics. Or a still unresolved brutal murder case like Kira Ivanova, Oly bronze medalist's death in early 2000 can be another example. R.I.P.
FIY, the quoted article in the OP exemplifies the Sochi controversies, so please don't so fret yourself about the abolition naturally reminding Sochi by people including the reporter.
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Isn't what people think an outcome should be, "whatever the points added up to", a matter of opinion? It did occur in Sochi but also occurs in most events, both before and after anonymous judging.
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What I meant was, yes, people have opinions about who should have won. The fact that there was a controversy, though, I think is not an opinion -- there really was a controversy, whatever one's particular opinion is.
"Controversy: disagreement, typically when prolonged, public, and heated."
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But she had sooo many judges with Russian names on her side (one of them was even from Finland
) to ignore two-footed or underrotated jumps:The technical controller: Lakernik
Assistant Technical Specialist: Baranova
Judge No 2 Balkov
Judge No 4 Kulik
Judge No 6 Shekhovtseva
(Judge No 7 Cucuphat ?)
Judge No 9 Domanska
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/SEG004OF.HTM
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