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    Article on 2004 Campbell's: Prize money, Kwan and Cohen confirmed

    "Cheesefest" no more? U.S. Figure Skating looks like they want these so-called "fluff" events to be taken more seriously by the skaters, so they've introduced $600,000 in prize money at the three events:

    http://www.usfsa.org/event_story.asp?id=25870

    Kwan and Cohen are also confirmed to participate at Campbell's, this year in Minneapolis.

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    Red Dog, do you know how much the skaters get in appearance fees, besides these prizes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Red Dog, do you know how much the skaters get in appearance fees, besides these prizes?

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    Appearance fees? No, I guess not, why?

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    Appearance fees

    The appearance fees vary from skater to skater and are based on their contracts (either for the season or by the event) with the USFS. I seem to recall a number of around $300,000 tossed around a couple of years ago wrt Todd Eldredge and Alexei Yagudin (this was for three events, iirc, so it would be $100,000/event). Of course, my memory could be totally wrong and it was $100,000 for all three events, but I'm thinking it was the higher number, because I thought -- WOW, that quite a bit of money. (It might have been that the contract also included some other appearance fees or obligations, too.) Anyway, I'm not sure if having the prize money will have any affect on the appearance fees, but I do know that these events all offered them. Offering prize money would be an added incentive to skate well -- but I never really thought any of the skaters "phoned in" their performances. None of them want to skate badly -- or appear on TV in an embarrassing competition.
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    Good for Michelle and Sasha! I wish I could go again, but I will get to see them both at Skate America. Let's hope they do fine!

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    Chump Change! Cohen has probably already made ten times that much as a plugger for Timex watches and the Texas Beef Council!

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    I'm glad to see efforts to make these events more than "cheesefests"... in fact its always bothered me that they were percieved as less than a normal competitive event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan5
    Offering prize money would be an added incentive to skate well -- but I never really thought any of the skaters "phoned in" their performances. None of them want to skate badly -- or appear on TV in an embarrassing competition.
    Perhaps it will be called the "Sokolova Rule"?

    I only went to one Cambell's, last season's, and there were plenty of sub-par performences. I also gathered from what I read on line, that not all of the skaters were show on TV.

    Unfortunately, both Fumie and Elena stick out as obvious "bombs", the difference being that without the jumps, Fumie was still interesting. Without the jumps, Elena has nothing to offer. Anyways, it was obvious that Elena was in no condition to be competing, and both Timmy and MK were still having boot issues. In fact, several skaters skipped the main season with injury but still did the "cheesefest" pieces. Was it just to show up and collect the paycheck?

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    Thanks for the information Skatingfan5. I have also read that Michelle at least has a separate contract with the television networks to appear, but I don't know if that means extra money on top of what is filtered through the USFSA or not. The reason that I asked about appearance fees was because, like Idleracer says, the prize money is not really enough to entice skaters to come who otherwise wouldn't.

    I do think, with Berthesghost, that "showing up for the paycheck" plays a role. But then, too, why else would they do it -- just to skate and have fun?

    Sasha and Tatiana Tarasova broke up last year ostensibly over the issue of whether Sasah would skate in the December cheesefest against her coach's wishes. In that case, though, I think it was more a question of Sasha and her family wanting to honor her comitment to the USFSA, rather than the money, that was most important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Sasha and Tatiana Tarasova broke up last year ostensibly over the issue of whether Sasah would skate in the December cheesefest against her coach's wishes. In that case, though, I think it was more a question of Sasha and her family wanting to honor her comitment to the USFSA, rather than the money, that was most important.
    I think it was also because the Cohens did not believe that she would bomb the way she did, nor that it would effect her in a way that would really screw up GPF.

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    The USFSA cheesefests have always been invitational events, and I think the international skaters consider being invited an honor (as well as a source of $$$). Most will attend if they can manage it in their schedule.

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    In that case, though, I think it was more a question of Sasha and her family wanting to honor her comitment to the USFSA, rather than the money, that was most important.
    But she was obviously sick, and her poor performance showed it. IMO I think it might have been better for her to just skip it rather than skate sub-par like that. I think the coach was right here.

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    Tim Goebel made a few comments to Spotlight on Skating concerning his injury and said that he should have sat out the fall Grand Prix season.

    His quote:
    "It wasn't just me wanting to do the events. Let's just leave it at that. I had obligations and I tried to fulfill them as best I could. Unfortunately, as a result of that I missed the last half of the season."

    I'm not sure how I feel about the USFSA and its contracts with the skaters. Is the USFSA a pimp or an organization concerned about the welfare of its athletes? The main objective of the USFSA is to put skaters on the podium in international competition (according to its website). I think it's rather counterproductive to force your best skater (and best shot at a world medal/world medalist) to skate in events when he is injured. I think that if Tim took time off to get his situation organized, he definitely would have medalled at worlds (at least a bronze).

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    No one has seen anyone skate since the Worlds and the last cheesefest unless you count COI. I am hoping therefore we don't get a thread on PREDICTIONS where all the voters just list their favorites. The thread would be better served as Hopeful Outcomes . It really would make more sense since last years silly predictions were 70 percent wrong.

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    It really would make more sense since last years silly predictions were 70 percent wrong.
    Isn't that always the case? You really can't predict these comps. Yes, I kind of agree but I think it adds "fun" to the "off-season debate".

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