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Ha-ha,lol...well, I'd like to see him in a different outfit for his lp, something more powerful looking to compliment the powerful music, and maybe slick those thick curls back, make him look more mature for this program.
Nathan Chen's 4Lz, 4F-3T attempt
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Ha-ha,lol...well, I'd like to see him in a different outfit for his lp, something more powerful looking to compliment the powerful music, and maybe slick those thick curls back, make him look more mature for this program.
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Wasn't there a skater from France who did a Jewell thief program? I can't remember her name but I've seen her in person. She was also a really good water skiier. Vanessa something. BRB....
Here she is. Her name is Vanessa Gusreroli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy2cfZPa_j8
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Gezz I am not the first person who brought the thing about choreography and music up. I was carried away by other posters. If possible I hope admins will move the comments to another threads.
Back to Nathan, I think of course no one wants to get injured again. But young people tend to think of themselves as invincible. That's why there's coaches and specialists there to take care of them. Frankly I think it's kind of reckless that Rafael entrusted Nathan to Zeuva completely that way. But I am not him so who am I to judge.
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I think marina did wonderful for Chen artistically....he made vast improvements in this area
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I am actually very curious as to what Raf thinks about Nathan training with Marina and how long the arrangement will last.
Sooo, Nathan went for a 4Lz and a 4F+3T in the SP at Golden West, but he went for a 4Lz+3T and a 4F at Finlandia. So, do we know which will be the combination he will plan initially? By the looks of it, it won't matter much since he can tackle a 3T to either of them in case the first one doesn't work, but I'm just curious.
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I think you're overanalysing ... I doubt Nathan has 30% of what you write there in his consideration. Either way I really like his programs for this season.
Nathan's quads are actually quite solid when they are not in the programs. Right edge, right technique, normal height. I believe he can definitely do it separately. But this is too much for him to put everything together in one-go. Like Yuzuru, I know he will improve throughout the season, but his protocol in Finland was really way too scary. I don't hope for 2 clean programs from him, just hope his fs will be less messy. However, to achieve this, he has to improve hugely for his stamina/strength, posture of spins and footwork. Most importantly, he has to keep himself healthy. Is it reasonable to expect these being happened in this season? Basically he has never shown that he could swallow what he put in his mouth with a certain consistency.
I see him as my next fav in the future since he proved his talent in jumps, at the same time, he's not bad in ss and ch interpretation too. What I am worrying is his pace in development only.
I see him as my next fav in the future since he proved his talent in jumps, at the same time, he's not bad in ss and ch interpretation too. What I am worrying is his pace in development only.
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I agree but I don't want him to look like slick Willy, excuse the expression it is a very steep slope to fall once you go down that route. Slicking the hair back can sometimes make you look without intention quido -ish or rather slimey.
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Maybe this yealr everyone is saving themselves for the olympic year because for the most part I don't like the music programs that being said the skaters themselves still often have the quality and tech ie Hanyu. I don't mind Hanyu's long but I am not getting the short and the costume further makes me scratch my head. But maybe a closer look and cleaner skate will make me like it more. But he does have very good skating skills. I really am shocked I don't like Chen's performances and those jumps are amazing but like Mao - the price for those jumps is transitions and choreography. I think Hanyu has some of the best transitions though admittedly as we have seen them for a few years it is apparent it is like the Bielleman or Rippon - they are done for GOE's or levels and sadly if we criticize the Russian girls for their tano's likewise we should Hanyu's transitions which are often done for more points than purity of program. I know I risk the wrath of some but the big move to tech and jumps and back loaded programs isn't always pretty or purposeful other than for points.
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lol ok, I think he will look more mature and good with that music....with a slicked back look, I can imagine it will look like he has more command of the ice and of the strong music. He doesn't have to go all out on the grease, ha.
This is the pre-olympic season. The layouts he uses this season will most likely be the layouts he will use in the olympic season. The layouts have significant impact on whether he can make the olympics/worlds team and whether he has a chance to medal at WC/olympics. I don't think he (or his coaching team/parents) would casually decide on the layouts. He may not analyze the exact same things I did, but he/his team would've considered many factors before they finalized on the layouts. The layouts he is attempting this season have big risk. So the main question for them is whether the reward is worth the risk.
Jackie Wong wrote in this article:
http://www.rockerskating.com/news/2...ff-season-exploring-new-technical-territories
"In the IJS world, technical content work sort of in a free market. So when it's not absolutely necessary for skaters to take the risk and train jumps to keep up with someone, the equilibrium maintains."
I think what he said is very true. Skaters are athletes. They compete to get the best results/medal/win. Fans may or may not like their programs. But all skaters are trying to gain as many points as possible within their abilities in order to get the best results. They don't take the risk to do so many quads unless it's absolutely necessary to do so in order to keep up with someone (usually the leader of the sport).
I guess he is doing so many quads in both sp and lp because Hanyu is doing so many quads in both sp and lp. (It seems that Nathan has more than 1 versions of layouts and executes different layouts in different competitions.)
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Bingo.
Same reason Shoma added the quad flip.
But Shoma, Nathan, Boyang. They all have to compete against each other. Looking ahead, they have no choice. This is what it takes for each of them to compete with their peers. They are not planning on getting out in 2018. Nor do they appear willing to wait until 2018 to be taken seriously.
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Right. Hanyu didn't want to wait until 2018, he wanted it NOW. And he got it (regardless of anyone's opinion on it). There's always someone new to seize the opportunity if you don't take it for yourself.
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Only time will tell which strategy would work to be honest. For comparison, in the junior men's field, the current highest total score is held by someone who only do 1 quad (Jun Hwan) in total as opposed to someone who throw in 2-4 quads. Ladies field is similar, the highest score is based on a conservative layout compared to a more bold layout, and the top ladies' layout is not necessarily difficult. I still think the judges will reward more consistent and complete skater, because being inconsistent and bombing jumps regularly will affect someone's PCS reputation. :think:
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And while you were laughing at him, he was on his way to being robbed of a National title - but still beating your precious Nathan. So go ahead, laugh all you want, he'll show you. And he'll still be able to walk when he's done, too.
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My guess is that at least two out of three of these skaters will no longer be physically able to compete by 2022.
And I wouldn't be surprised if this is why they are making their big push now.
Rules change. The depth of field changes frequently too. After 2018, there may be major rule changes and the depth of men's field will change after the retirement of many veteran skaters. A lot of what skaters do today are due to the rules/judging system and the competitiveness of the whole field. They simply do certain things according to the rules and in response to their rivals' strategies. So it's hard to say what will happen to certain skaters after 2018.
Also, 2022 is quite far away. Most skaters now are trying to achieve their best results in 2018 Olympics rather than focusing on 2022 Olympics when they are not even certain how the rules and field will change after 2018.
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Hanyu can't wait until 2018 if he wants to put a quad loop in his Olympic program; he has to train it now. And it's also the perfect choice for him because it allows him to minimize training the 4T, which is apparently what caused the damage to his foot. Lucky for him (and us) that he favors edge jumps.
I don't think he's being reckless in doing this additional quad but I hope Brian can convince him to downgrade the overall difficulty of his two programs before SC. He can always upgrade them later in the season if he needs to.
