Tarasova's greatest Coaching achievement

**bladebabe13** · 09-01-2004, 07:12 PM

I met Tatiana at a national competition once!

**Dee4707** · 09-09-2004, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by bladebabe13

I met Tatiana at a national competition once!

She waved and blew me a kiss last year at Skate Canada. I would love to meet her and have a picture take with her.

I voted for Alexei. I think she worked wonders with him.

Dee

**Vash01** · 09-17-2004, 11:46 AM

[QUOTE=Matt][QUOTE=PrincessLeppard] Now, if she could take, say, Ludmilla Nelidina, and coach her to gold, THAT would be something.

If ANYONE could do ANYTHING w/ Ludmilla Nelidina beside get her to land the triple axel, that would be something! (I'm sorry, I'm not a fan of hers)

In the end, I voted for Shizuka (though it was a toss-up between her and Yags's Olympic LP, which is still my favourite of his programmes

). She [Shizuka] already came in w/ the jumps and that "Turandot" routine, but TT added some extra subtleties and gave Shizuka a big confidence boost, which probably resulted in the 3lutz-3toe-2loop in her LP, which pretty much settled the Ladies title in Dortmund right there, IMHO

Shizuka's 3-3-2 was wonderful but I don't think that alone determined the title. Remember, Sasha got 3 first place votes with even a subpar performance- without a 3-3 and a very shaky landing on the first triple. Shizuka needed a perfect performance to even have a chance of winning. She was always capable of doing it but she never did until she turned to Tarasova, who must have given her a HUGE confidence boost.

**hockeyfan228** · 09-17-2004, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Vash01

Shizuka's 3-3-2 was wonderful but I don't think that alone determined the title. Remember, Sasha got 3 first place votes with even a subpar performance- without a 3-3 and a very shaky landing on the first triple. Shizuka needed a perfect performance to even have a chance of winning. She was always capable of doing it but she never did until she turned to Tarasova, who must have given her a HUGE confidence boost.

On the whole in the judging in Dortmund, high-difficulty jumps attempts were given undue credit. Among the higher-placed skaters, Ando's 2nd in Quali A; Kostner's otherwise inexplicable placement over Sebestyen, Poykio, and Rochette in the LP; Slutskaya's placement over Volchkova and Suguri in Quali A; Sandhu's 1st in Quali B; Dambier's 4th in QB despite a flawed landing on nearly every one of his jumps were among the most questionable. Where the judging was most awful was for the lowest-ranked skaters among the Men, where deep edges, good spins and footwork, and mostly clean lower-difficulty jumps were being trumped by awkward attempts on more difficult jumps. Zivanovic, for example, got the last qualifying spot for the SP, and he was a mess. Dong-Whun Lee, who finished just behind him in Quali A and got cut was so much more accomplished. This isn't surprising, given that the CoP judges asked that the Levels of Difficulty for spins, lifts, footwork, etc. be removed from the screens partway into the season, because they found themselves scoring higher when the LoD was higher. Because they all "know" the relative difficulty of jumps without a caller, luckily, the caller/tech specialists/inputters will be there to call cheats.

I do think it was the 3/3/2 combined with a perfect performance that gave her first in the FS and the title, because the combo distinguished her from the top contenders, particularly Ando, and her lack of flaws put her over Cohen's sub-par performance and (barely) over Kwan's flawed program. However, given how close Cohen's and Kwan's ordinals were to Arakawa's despite their performances, I don't think she would have won the freeskate had she not been in 2nd position after the SP, where she received credit for two cheated jumps, one in the 3Z/3T combination. In my opinion, with those flaws, she should have been in 6th in the SP. I still think she should have won with 1/6/1 placements, but I don't think the judges would have given her the win in the LP had she come into the LP in 3rd or 4th place, especially skating first, 3/3/2 or no 3/3/2. I think she would have ended up with the bronze, which would have been a travesty.

I think that perfect performance had a foundation in Callahan's training, but was put over the top by Tarasova. Most telling was how Arakawa described how Tarasova changed the way she breathed, so that she had stamina at the end of the program.

**Joesitz** · 11-03-2004, 01:09 AM

I really believe TT gave Sasha one beautiful Swan Lake routine and I think she went into detail with it. Certainily Yags was a gem for her. He had a lot of baggage before her. I believe he was actually intimated by Plush. I don't follow dance so closely so I'll refrain from saying anything about that especially since I'm not crazy about 'over the top' psuedo passion. Just my take on dance.

However, Although, I think TT worked well with Johnny and Shizuka, it was just for a short while and I don't think it was so overwhelming as to make their Nats win and World's win. Both those skaters had a lot of talent before TT and I think they would have done as well if not being with her. I do give her credit for maybe giving them some fine tuning. In the case of Johnny, she was working exceedingly hard with Griazev, and she showed how much she wanted him to win at Dortmund Worlds. I'm looking forward this season for Shizuka and how well she does after a year with TT.

**Zenith** · 11-30-2004, 10:26 PM

I voted for Alexei Y

Shizza'a up there too, though!

**ceg15** · 12-31-2004, 10:35 AM

No question-Yagudin! She was the perfect coach for him! She has brought him alot of succes-especially the OGM in 2002! I was so happy for him!

**curious** · 12-31-2004, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by soogar

Tatiana is the bomb. Imagine if she coaches Griazev to gold in 2006. Wow, will Mishin be steaming mad!!!

I'd like to see Ilia Klimkin take from Tarasova. I think she could do wonders with him.

griazev winning olys not on this lifetimelol! tarasova can't pull that miracle

**soogar** · 01-17-2005, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by curious

griazev winning olys not on this lifetimelol! tarasova can't pull that miracle

If Griazev wins in 2006, I think TT should get a milennium achievement award as the best coach EVER.

**curious** · 01-19-2005, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Joesitz

I really believe TT gave Sasha one beautiful Swan Lake routine and I think she went into detail with it. Certainily Yags was a gem for her. He had a lot of baggage before her. I believe he was actually intimated by Plush. I don't follow dance so closely so I'll refrain from saying anything about that especially since I'm not crazy about 'over the top' psuedo passion. Just my take on dance.

However, Although, I think TT worked well with Johnny and Shizuka, it was just for a short while and I don't think it was so overwhelming as to make their Nats win and World's win. Both those skaters had a lot of talent before TT and I think they would have done as well if not being with her. I do give her credit for maybe giving them some fine tuning. In the case of Johnny, she was working exceedingly hard with Griazev, and she showed how much she wanted him to win at Dortmund Worlds. I'm looking forward this season for Shizuka and how well she does after a year with TT.

yags still carries alot of bagagge but his psychologist helped him deal with his plush obsession that's what I read in one of his russian interviews

**Ptichka** · 02-21-2005, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by curious

yags still carries alot of bagagge but his psychologist helped him deal with his plush obsession that's what I read in one of his russian interviews

Hmmm... does he actually work with a real shrink? The one he worked with for the Olympics was a great sports psychologist. As such, he was only concerned with getting Yags in shape to win the prize, not to be a healthy human being.