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    Was Michelle lucky to win all those World Championships?

    When you are at the top of the heap for a decade, it stands to reason that sometimes you win when you should have lost, sometimes you lose when you should have won, and sometimes you find yourself in a close contest that is decided by a judge's whim.

    Overall, do you think that the skate gods have smiled or frowned upon MK?

    Here's my opinion :D

    1995 – Bad Luck :\ Michelle skates a podium-worthy performance. The judging panel is not prepared to give such a young skater her just desserts.

    1996 – Good Luck Michelle and Lulu skate to a dead heat, with two of the most spell-binding performances of all time. The judges give Michelle the nod.

    1997 – Bad Luck :\ Michelle is for sure a better all-around skater than 14-year-old Tara. But uncharacteristic mistakes in the short program leave her with no chance for gold, despite wining the long.

    1998 – Good Luck Tara doesn’t show up. Michelle comes first with a so-so skate. Irina could have won.

    1999 – Bad Luck :\ Michelle, now at her peak, is way better than Maria B. or anyone else. But she comes down with the flu and Maria skates the championship of her life.

    2000 – Good Luck Michelle does her part by winning the LP, but she still needs help. Slutskaya beats Butyrskaya to hand Michelle the title.

    2001 – Bad Luck :\ The heel of her boot breaks just minutes before the qualifying begins. Her dad sticks it back on with a 6-inch nail. Michelle throws bad luck back into Fortune’s teeth and skates to victory with one boot higher than the other.

    2002 – Neutral. Michelle takes second with an OK skate.

    2003 – Good Luck Early in the season, Michelle does not even want to compete. But then Sarah Hughes is injured, and Michelle is coerced into doing Skate America. She wins brilliantly, decides: Nationals? Why not? Delivers her all-time dazzling performance.

    Another bit of luck – Worlds is in the U.S. that year. Michelle performs before an adoring home crowd and tears the roof off.

    2004 – Bad Luck :\ Murphy’s Law: whatever can go wrong, will. A bad start on hard ice, an unusual time deduction, a streaker. Despite all that Michelle took her best shot, and lost only because of three straight brilliancies by Shizuka.

    2005 – Good Luck. Michelle decides to sit this one out. Everyone else falls down and breaks their leg. The ISU calls Michelle in California. Michelle plays her music over the phone. She wins!

    What do you all think?

    Mathman
    Last edited by Mathman; 07-29-2004 at 04:24 PM.

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    Bad and Good Luck!

    You should do the future as well like the 2006 games

    Michelle good luck, as my user name says mk06gold. She wins the gold at the nationals, grand prix final, worlds, and the most important, the olympics. Then she turns pro and beats every pro- skater in her first year. And she get's married to Brad Ferance, a hockey player. Heard they are dating.

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    Good luck.........Michelle having a fan like Mathman..... 42

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    Quote Originally Posted by show 42
    Good luck.........Michelle having a fan like Mathman..... 42
    I like that one best


    I think any skater who is able to be a skater, investing the millions of hours and $$s to become a world class skater is lucky... even if I HAD wanted to become a skater after the age of 3 I would not have been fortunate to live in a state where there are decent facilities or coaches... and my parents couldn't have afforded it anyway (maybe Duane will get better results... if he wants to skate this winter... *cross fingers*)

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    I'm no natural on the ice as an adult skater by any means, but sometimes I wonder "what if???" I didn't get skating lessons as a child because my nearly 8 years older brother didn't do well at them and hated them when he was pushed into them by my parents when I was a baby. Is there luck invovolved? Yes, but Michelle has mainly succeeded on sheer talent and hard work.

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    I agree, Yazmeen. Luck has played a part in Michelle's career just as it has with any other athlete. But, I think she's given every World competition her all....it was just that sometimes her all at that particular moment and time wasn't always enough. Everybody has emotional, mental and physical ups and downs and finding a way to stabilize all three in order to deliver consistently on a demanding world stage would have to be the part of competing that would really hold me back. I think Michelle has done very well with this and has found a way to reach that "place" or "zone" on a consistent basis. But, like anyone, she's had years where the balance wasn't quite right (98 & 99 Worlds especially). She's getting older now and juggling more responsibilities and concerns....I think it will be very interesting to see if she can work to regain this balance and produce it for the times when it matters most. I say she will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    When you are at the top of the heap for a decade, it stands to reason that sometimes you win when you should have lost, sometimes you lose when you should have won, and sometimes you find yourself in a close contest that is decided by a judge's whim.
    I don't believe in luck.

    Overall, do you think that the skate gods have smiled or frowned upon MK?
    I think skategods have been neutral and just overall and did not smiled or frowned upon MK or other skaters.

    1994 - first world placed 8th totally reasonable

    1995 = the only lady who received standing O and landed 7 triples, but she lacked power in her basic skating skills

    1996 - the judges called it right.

    1997 - outskated by Tara

    1998 - deserved the world gold, how are you so sure that Tara would win even if she showed up. In the 97 - 98 season Mk and Tara were trading wins, MK won nationals, Tara won the olys, maybe if Tara showed up in worlds she would be beat by MK

    1999 - outskated by Maria

    2000 - convincing win

    2001 - won fair and square

    2002 - deserved the silver, behind Irina

    2003 - she rocked the house, luck has nothing to do with it

    2004 = the judges called it right including the time deduction.

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    Was Michelle lucky to win all those world championships?

    I think hard work and determination has to do more with winning a world championship than luck. It would be interesting to know the outcome had Michelle or any skater from her generation had to lay down figures as well at a world championship. The outcomes might be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater
    Was Michelle lucky to win all those world championships?

    I think hard work and determination has to do more with winning a world championship than luck. It would be interesting to know the outcome had Michelle or any skater from her generation had to lay down figures as well at a world championship. The outcomes might be different.
    This Oly event must have been something to see: http://www.aya.or.jp/~polaris/winter_olympic/index.htm go to 1908 men's special figures.
    I wonder why they discontinued it?
    Last edited by berthes ghost; 07-30-2004 at 08:53 AM.

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    2005 – Good Luck. Michelle decides to sit this one out. Everyone else falls down and breaks their leg. The ISU calls Michelle in California. Michelle plays her music over the phone. She wins!
    Loved this one!

    I believe that there is a bit of luck element in sports. On the other hand, only the strongest ones are usually lucky. Michelle Kwan fairly deserved her titles, other skaters who won over her deserved theirs.

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    well maybe you could win 1 World championship based solely on luck, but you can't win 5 Worlds because you're lucky

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    Luck?

    Another poster mentioned that hard work and determination has to do more with winning a world championship than luck.

    ROTFL! At the top of the heap, ALL the skaters work rilly rilly hard and have heaps of determination. What determines final placement on a particular day?

    Linny

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    The luckiest skater in the world is Sarah. There are a few others but she's top pick imo. Michelle is just the best or one of the best. She works hard, born with the skills and presentation to win on her own merit. I do think things are meant to be so whatever happens is suppose to happen.
    Last edited by lavender; 07-30-2004 at 07:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mk06gold
    And she get's married to Brad Ferance, a hockey player. Heard they are dating.
    If I remember correctly, the two broke up last summer.

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    I think fate played a major part in Michelle's wins, and I'm glad it did.

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