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    Smarty Jones and Michelle Kwan

    The commentators are saying that Racing needed a good push to regain its popularity. Smarty Jones was going to give it that push but sadly, it did not happen.

    With figure skating wallowing in the doldrums, I would think that a Michelle win would give it the boost it needs to get back into the game after all that scandal business.

    I doubt Shizuka, Sasha or Irina could give it that boost in the US.

    Please!!! I am not gushing or bashing here. I am concerned about the Sport and in this instance I believe Popularity counts. If you think someone other than MK would give the sport the needed boost, please discuss.

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    Well, I don't want this to sound like a judgement because everyone has the right to do as they wish with their life, but I think that the past 3 ladies champs didn't help the sport with their decisions. If the next ladies champ is gonna "save" the sport, then she should be committed to it and making a lasting pro career out of the aftermath.

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    As a fan of both thoroughbred horseracing and figure skating, let me say this: last year, everyone was talking about Funny Cide and how he was going to 'save' racing. This year, an even hotter candidate appeared in Smarty Jones, who was perfect right up to the last 5 seconds of the Belmont Stakes.

    But the excitement over Smarty would never have jelled without first Funny Cide then the release of "Seabiscuit". The US public has seen two "blue collar" horses in a row attempt to make history, and watched the history of another "blue collar" hero.

    It's too bad that Smarty just couldn't conserve himself enough in the backstretch so that he'd have a little more gas in the final furlong. But his 'almost' attempt was a valiant one, and he will not soon be forgotten. He is the little horse that almost could.

    Racing will somehow go on, and who knows who the next 'hero' will be. But there always IS another hero.

    No one skater is going to 'save' figureskating. The only reason why figureskating needs saving is judging scandals, and skaters have no control over that. They skate, the judges judge, and if judges perform badly or inexplicably, the skaters lose out just as the skating fans do. And somehow, they persevere, too.

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    As happens with successful Thoroughbred race horses, Smarty is already being sought as a stallion by many of the best breeding farms in Kentucky. Because of the amount of money involved, syndication is the normal route to obtaining such a stallion. Had he won the Belmont, 50 million was suggested as a conservative figure.

    One of the specifications his owners set forth to the people doing the negotiations for them was that the horse was to continue to race throughout his 3 year old and 4 year old years as long as he remained at the top of his game. A second spec was that the horse would stand at stud where he could be available for the public to visit at scheduled times.

    In a time when a successful Thoroughbred's value as a stallion far exceeds his potential to make money as a race horse--and makes the risks of running the animal huge--these specifications were a tremendous consideration to the public and to the entire racing industry.

    If Smarty bounces back from the Belmont defeat, they still could be, but the thoughtfulness of the Chapmans for their beloved horse and sport and for the public that adored the horse was exceptional.

    Parallels with Michelle? She has already stayed in the game, developed a respectful and adoring public, and become arguably skating's most known and loved figure at present. Losing the big one hasn't significantly hurt her effect on skating and its fans. Unlike Smarty, she can make her own decisions about her future!

    I'd be overjoyed to see Smarty come back and prove himself to be the the excellent and professional race horse he has shown he is thus far. He can still do a lot for racing by being in the game and winning most of the time.

    (Too bad Rock Hard Ten engaged Smarty so aggressively in the early part of a 1 1/2 mile race...and he still beat the socks off that horse. That's racing!)

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    I don't know, when the Oly results don't concur with audience opinion, often we see rule changes (Schuba/Lynn and Poetzch/Fratianne, for example).

    If MK "loses" a third time to a kinda darkhorse winner, who then quits the sport soon afterward, I'm not sure that the Olys will stay the same. At the very least, their "big prize" status will take some serious dents.

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    Well...Smarty's loss was a simple case of running too fast too soon and running out of energy. Kwan is a case of fading away slowly.

    Joe~Irina cant make the push for the US because she is a Russian...not an American. Weither or not she can make the push for Russia is a diffrent matter and it remains to be seen.

    As for Sasha. I see her pushing the sport. Artistically she is the best out there right now, IMO and she is working on the quad and a 3/3. So I see that as pushing the sport...

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    I think skating has taken some dents already for so many reason but I think come the Olympics Sasha is the one they will want to win anyway. She has the looks and the artistry they are looking for although I still don’t think she is the best…yet. If she’s consistent next year then I will entertain that thought.. I don’t think she will be like Michelle with tons of adoring fans. Michelle has a ton of fans that are only around because she is around. I think some (not me) think Michelle had her chance. However I do think if she outright wins it will be a different story. It will be a Dan Jansen type of thing but even bigger.

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    Originally posted by lavender
    I think skating has taken some dents already for so many reason but I think come the Olympics Sasha is the one they will want to win anyway. She has the looks and the artistry they are looking for although I still don’t think she is the best…yet. If she’s consistent next year then I will entertain that thought.. I don’t think she will be like Michelle with tons of adoring fans. Michelle has a ton of fans that are only around because she is around. I think some (not me) think Michelle had her chance. However I do think if she outright wins it will be a different story. It will be a Dan Jansen type of thing but even bigger.
    Which "they" are you referring to? Judges? The ISU? I don't think "they" are the casual fans of figure skating. The looks and artistry? So does Irakawa, Kwan, Irina, and other top ladies. Skatepixie likes to refer to Sasha's 3/3 and quad, but until she can do these consistently in major events, they don't exist (at least not to me).

    And how did this thread get from Smarty to Sasha anyway? :\

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    Originally posted by lavender
    I think skating has taken some dents already for so many reason but I think come the Olympics Sasha is the one they will want to win anyway. She has the looks and the artistry they are looking for although I still don’t think she is the best…yet. If she’s consistent next year then I will entertain that thought.. I don’t think she will be like Michelle with tons of adoring fans. Michelle has a ton of fans that are only around because she is around. I think some (not me) think Michelle had her chance. However I do think if she outright wins it will be a different story. It will be a Dan Jansen type of thing but even bigger.
    It would be absolutely Kwanderful for Michelle to win the OGM in 2 years. I sure hope so anyway!

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    I am also of the opinion that the sport would be helped greatly if the next ladies Olympic Champion (who ever that may be) either stays amateur or at least begins a lengthy professional career. The amateur side of the sport is still pretty freakin popular I think. What about the professional side? Well, I think we need to give the general public (casual fans) a few years to forgive the skating world for "Too Hot to Skate", etc. Those were garbage and didn't interest me in the slightest. How could you expect casual fans to stick around with crap like that? The SLC fiasco didn't help matters at all.

    If Michelle wins it will be huge, and if she doesn't it won't really matter. She has become a legend in her own time. That, more than anything, speaks volumes about what she brings to the ice everytime she skates.

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    To me, it is the race, not the outcome, that is interesting and exciting and builds support for the sport. Smarty Jones going for the Triple Crown was the big story, which drew in millions of viewers and a record amount of money. I don't think the fact that he didn't win will cause interest in the sport to fall off. Just think, next year some new horse can try to achieve a feat that no horse has accomplished for twenty-seven years!

    In the 2006 Olympics, the big story (at least among casual fans in the U.S.) will be Michelle going for gold on her third try. Even if Sasha, Shizuka or someone else will have overtaken her as the favorite in the minds of the cognizanti, the latest chapter in the Michelle saga will still be the draw for the big once-every-four-years television audience. I can't wait! It will be equally exiting whether she wins big (I hope), whether she squeaks out a controversial decision, whether someone else rises to the occasion with a huge performance, or whatever. The game is on!

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    Originally posted by skatepixie
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    As for Sasha. I see her pushing the sport. Artistically she is the best out there right now, IMO and she is working on the quad and a 3/3. So I see that as pushing the sport...
    I see that as the exact opposite. I see that as the sport pushing Sasha. The Japanese ladies already have consistent 3/3's and one has a consistent quad. Sasha has yet to land that elusive quad and her 3/3 are far from consistent and almost non-existent when she is compared to the likes of Hughes, Shizuka, Irina, and even Michelle Kwan. Shizuka has the artistry to match her brilliant technical prowess, and Sasha knows that her artistry alone can not, and will not, match what Shizuka has got. (unless Cohen skates clean, which she did at Marshalls, but this may have been the skate of her life? Time will tell)

    Sorry to take it off topic once again.
    I would like for Michelle to win the Olympics. This would be huge news in the US and would bring attention back to the sport for a good reason, not a scandal.

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    Originally posted by bronxgirl
    Which "they" are you referring to? Judges? The ISU? I don't think "they" are the casual fans of figure skating. The looks and artistry? So does Irakawa, Kwan, Irina, and other top ladies. Skatepixie likes to refer to Sasha's 3/3 and quad, but until she can do these consistently in major events, they don't exist (at least not to me).

    And how did this thread get from Smarty to Sasha anyway? :\
    I was referring to judges, commentators, maybe the ISU and even journalist. I'm certainly not referring to the fans. I will always be a Michelle fan.

    I also think Kwan has the look big time. Irina and Arakawa are adorable to me. I just get the vibe that they kind of wish Michelle would move on which I think they will regret. I don't feel this way. I want Michelle to win the big OGM no matter how tired they are of her. Anyway I don't pay attention to what any of the skaters say they are working on. I'll believe it when I see it.

    Sasha was brought up so I responded.



    Last edited by lavender; 06-07-2004 at 09:43 PM.

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