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    Broken Ankle - Let me add my thanks for this site you discovered. I know I will be using it often.

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    I'm not sure it would have changed anything. Paul went on to have a hugh pro career where he was treated with great respect. He's probably one of the most sucessful silver medalists of all time. It's as if everyone treated him as if he was a Oly champ anyway.

    I also think that the SP gave Viktor a lot of momentum. Both were clean, but Vik's jumps were so much tougher that he clearly had an edge with all 1st place votes. Paul ranked as low as 5th with some judges. The tale was already told: If both skated to the best of their abilities, Vik would come out on top. Neither did, so ther's more room for back and forth discusiions, but I think the judges still had at the back of their minds that on paper, Vik would win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berthes ghost
    Paul went on to have a hugh pro career where he was treated with great respect. He's probably one of the most sucessful silver medalists of all time. It's as if everyone treated him as if he was a Oly champ anyway.
    Very true. I think that Paul was so popular after that performance because he 1) finally lived up to his potential; and 2) by doing so, he truly embodied the Olympic spirit--doing his very best when it mattered the most. Finally, 3) he's American--and Americans love to see someone do 1 & 2 above. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater
    As I recall, this was one of those competitions where whomever laid down the best freeskate was the winner. It was an open field. Any of these skaters could have stepped up to the plate as the champion. Viktor, did not skate brilliantly and used a previous program - as was mentioned - but he delivered. Of course, I wanted Kurt or Elvis to win, but it was not to be. At the time, I wondered if it was favourtism, but who really knows? None of the men seemed in their best form.

    It's difficult to make a call when the skaters do not all perform equally well. The judges pretty much have to go with the technical marks.

    Viktor won and deserves our respect.
    There are no deductions for reusing a program, so Viktor was within rules to use his for the 3rd time (although it was boring for the viewers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealtorGal
    Very true. I think that Paul was so popular after that performance because he 1) finally lived up to his potential; and 2) by doing so, he truly embodied the Olympic spirit--doing his very best when it mattered the most. Finally, 3) he's American--and Americans love to see someone do 1 & 2 above. :D
    Paul did not receive the HUGE respect just because he skated great in the Olympics. Rather, he maintained a high level of skating after he turned pro and continued to deliver one great program after another -e.g. Miss Saigon, JFK, Carmina Burana, Schindlers list, The untouchables, Apollo13, and so on. That's why he was treatd with such respect, and it did not matter what color medal he won. Had he sat on his laurels he might have been dismissed as a one time wonder.

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    Let's put it this way. My dad (who dislikes skating quite a bit) still stopped to see what I was watching when he saw "that Harvard guy" would be on.

    I think it's just a great Olympic story, how he accomplished so much at school and was able to squeak onto the Olympic team before he retired. He ended his career with a personal best competition at the Olympics with two of the best men's programs I've ever seen (in terms of choreography & music). He's one of the very few chill-inducing skaters I've seen. He was clearly thrilled with how he did, as opposed to the other men. I think that stuck in people's minds.

    It is amusing how Viktor got away with that old recycled music, considering all the hubub from judges regarding S&P's recycled LP in 2002. It's not a deduction, it's all relative.

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    Regardless of the Viktor preference, the eastern bloc was against Wylie. The EU put him in 5th place after the LP. Just in case it turned into a tie, Wylie would not rise above the second place. Oh, the subjectivity of it all!! :sheesh: .

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    VIETgrlTerifa, you can down top 6/7 men's 92 LP's from this site. (properly need register)

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    Thanks for all the answers. I didn't watched all of them when I made my first post. Now after I finishing watching all of them, I feel all the rest of field had better choreo than Petrenko. Though his music choice argubaly is more atractive. IMO, 5/4 split panel is more reasonable. I had no idear of the status of each of these top men at 92. So I had no bias when I watching these clips. Just pure play try judging, lol.

    Now review the latest Olympics FS judging history, I just hope the judge panel could be more consistant. If they favored more tech contents than better choreo/artistry by rewarding Petrenko 92 OGM than they should reward Nancy 94 lady OGM (that's why I say 5/4 split is more reasonable, was it a 5/4 split at 94 lady?). My personal preference is Paul for 92 man, Bauil for 94 lady and B/S for 2002 pair. Quite consistant eh? That's the reason why I like the CoP, more or less it force judge put number on each element, make it more objective.
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    Personally, despite some off jump landings, I would have given the gold to Petr Barna -- IMO he had the most interesting program of the top 3. I'd've put Wylie 2nd and Petrenko 3rd, if not lower.

    I was always rather disappointed with Petrenko -- he really impressed me when he won the bronze in 88 and I expected a lot of great things from him, but as far as I'm concerned he never really lived up to his promise.

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    Thanks a lot Mzheng. That link will definitely come in handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    Regardless of the Viktor preference, the eastern bloc was against Wylie. The EU put him in 5th place after the LP. Just in case it turned into a tie, Wylie would not rise above the second place. Oh, the subjectivity of it all!! :sheesh: .
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    Eastern bloc against Wylie??? As far as I notice on my tape, the countries of the judges were AUS, FIN, EUN, ITA, CAN, TCH, JPN, USA and FRA. That means only two judgies coming from "eastern bloc". And it was posted on this thread that seven judges gave Petrenko the win.

    Unfortunately on German Eurosport the placements were not shown, only scores. In freeskate Petrenko skated before Wylie:

    Petrenko
    AUS FIN EUN ITA CAN TCH JPN USA FRA
    5,6 / 5,8 / 5,8 / 5,8 / 5,8 / 5,7 / 5,7 / 5,8 / 5,8 technical
    5,8 / 5,9 / 5,8 / 5,8 / 5,7 / 5,8 / 5,9 / 5,9 / 5,9 artistic
    AUS 1

    Wylie
    AUS FIN EUN ITA CAN TCH JPN USA FRA
    5,6 / 5,7 / 5,6 / 5,8 / 5,8 / 5,4 / 5,6 / 5,9 / 5,7 technical
    5,9 / 5,9 / 5,7 / 5,7 / 5,9 / 5,8 / 5,9 / 5,8 / 5,8 artistic

    From the Japanese skating link provided, I see that the judges from AUS and CAN are those who put Wylie on 1st place. Not even the US judge...

    Also I would like to point out that the scores given to Wylie by the TCH judge were surely because of Barna (he got the bronze) and not for Petrenko being a FSU skater. So, the accusation about "an eastern bloc" being against Wylie is not quite rightful in this competition, in my opinion. It is actually a big majority, " the western bloc", being for Petrenko (seven judges for Petrenko and the whole judge panel having only two "eastern bloc" judges, so five came from "western bloc), LOL.

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    Just for the record, I did not use the term 'bloc'. I did cite the EU for giving him 5th place, There was no 'bloc' at that time. It was playing with scores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    Just for the record, I did not use the term 'bloc'. I did cite the EU for giving him 5th place, There was no 'bloc' at that time. It was playing with scores.

    Joe
    LOL, Joe, this is what you mention in your previous message, as you see the words "eastern bloc was against Wylie" are there:

    [QUOTE=Joesitz]Regardless of the Viktor preference, the eastern bloc was against Wylie. The EU put him in 5th place after the LP. Just in case it turned into a tie, Wylie would not rise above the second place. Oh, the subjectivity of it all!! :sheesh: .

    Joe[/QUOTE

    I rooted for Wylie and hoped him to win, I always liked his skating very much. But had to comment here, because one has to be fair...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana

    From the Japanese skating link provided, I see that the judges from AUS and CAN are those who put Wylie on 1st place. Not even the US judge...

    The US judge, Hugh Graham, has stated that ONE of the reasons he didn't go for Wylie in the long was for fear of getting cited for National Bias, given the fact that Wylie's reputation and record was such that he doubted very much that any other judges would have voted for him. In addition, Wylie used to skate Pairs with Graham's daughter, so if he'd voted for Wylie in the long and no-one else did he would have been under additional scrutiny.

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    Only 3 judges seem to really be out of order.

    The Canadian Judge gave Kurt 2nd in LP behind Paul and above Vik when everyone else had him anywhere from 4th to 9th.

    The former USSR judge and the Tsch judge had Urmanov in 3rd ahead of Paul when most agreed that he was no better than 6th.

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