How dare he?!?!!
I forgot, this sort of thing is "cute" when it comes from certain skaters.
Nothing like taking responsibility for your own errors, which a skater who was actually robbed by the judges still did.
How dare he?!?!!
I think karne might have been thinking about this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BA3eh3xuuAK/?taken-by=govincentzhou&hl=en
I'm not that bothered by it. He's not the first nor the last to question judging, if that was indeed the case.
Just as I find it odd to judge someone by six minutes in the K&C. I don't think we need to make broad judgments about Vincent based on this one statement on Instagram.
OK, I tried, I really did, it is Lent, I am supposed to resist temptation, but....
As someone who believes in the "perform lights out under pressure in one comp and make the team" rule, I am mystified by the assumption by almost everyone in this thread that Jason was "chosen" over a higher ranking skater.
At the time that the World Team was chosen, Vincent *was* *not* *eligible* for the World team. Let us say a dance team where one member was not a citizen (I use dance deliberately to avoid Mervissa) won Nats in an Oly year. Would the USFS be making a "decision" because they don't send that team to the Olys? They wouldn't be eligible. No decision was "made".
Is there an argument that USFS should have waited and given Vincent a chance to earn minimums? Sure. I don't agree with it, but it's an argument. But they didn't. Thus, at the time the team was chosen, they selected the two highest finishing eligible skaters. They went with who was best and eligible to go on that day. No other "decision" was made.
Now, do I know if that's why they *really* selected Jason? My psychic friends network kit is at the cleaners, so no, I don't know. Do I agree with the selection, regardless of why it was made? Of course. And believe it or not I do not feel the need to repeat myself on that one.
But any inclusion of Jason on "got leapfrogged" list comes with a *mighty* big asterisk IMHO.
Now that I've broken Lent, time to eat some doughnuts
No one knows why Vincent was left off the team, but let's accept that your reasoning that he was ineligible for Worlds and therefore cannot be on the team.
Let's look at the alternate list for men World's
1. Vincent - 2nd place, whoa whoa whoa isn't this guy ineligible???
2. Grant - 4th place
3. Max - 9th place
Oh yay, I was wondering when this would come up and you'd join the ranks of "look at Max getting heaps of favours and love from the USFS because he was made the third frigging alternate".
The love and favors from the federation for a 9th place skater >> love and favors for 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th place skaters
Oh for the love of...
You mean to say you would genuinely send Ross Miner, Timothy Dolensky, Alexander Johnson or Sean Rabbitt to Worlds over Max? With Olympic spots on the line?
No disrespect is intended to any of these very fine skaters, but...SERIOUSLY? Good god, use some common bloody sense!
Oh, whoops, I thought National results meant something, anything at all. Rookie mistake.
No one knows why Vincent was left off the team, but let's accept that your reasoning that he was ineligible for Worlds and therefore cannot be on the team.
Let's look at the alternate list for men World's
1. Vincent - 2nd place, whoa whoa whoa isn't this guy ineligible???
2. Grant - 4th place
3. Max - 9th place
The alternate list for ladies for World's
1. Mirai - 4th place
2. Gracie - 6th place
3. Caroline - 5th place
Junior World ladies
1. Amber - 8th seniors
2. Bradie - 9th seniors
Alternatives for junior worlds
1. Starr - 2nd juniors
2. Ashley - 3rd juniors
3. Meagan - 14th seniors
It's a mess
I want a sport that makes it clear and quantifiable what you need to do to be on the team. Traditionally it was being medalist Nationals. However, something like "GPF winner is guaranteed a spot" or "highest season's best person gets a spot" would work too.
If Nationals results truly meant nothing then Max would have been much higher up the alternate list. He wasn't.
But you know what else should mean something? Results other than Nationals. Just as I believe someone shouldn't expect to have an ordinary season, pull out one good skate and expect the accolades to flow in, I also believe someone shouldn't have a solid, decent season, have one bad skate and get destroyed. Clearly you'd love to see Max and Jason sitting in that trash heap, but the facts are that Max had a very solid season - two Challenger bronzes and a respectable 5th and 4th at his GP events - until US Nationals, and none of the other four have results on board this season that would challenge those. (Actually, Max's season track record also beats out Grant - and you'll notice Grant is higher on the alternate list than he is.)
I can't believe we're even arguing about this. It was the third alternate. It's not like it's actually worth anything meaningful.
It takes all the intellect and passion I have to concentrate on the timeless and eternal battle of Jason v. Vincent
I have no clue about the history of the selection of alternates. And I really have no clue about the ladies, let alone junior ladies; shoot me now, I don't even know who "Meagan" is I'm not breaking Lent over that one.....
I want a sport that makes it clear and quantifiable what you need to do to be on the team. Traditionally it was being medalist Nationals. However, something like "GPF winner is guaranteed a spot" or "highest season's best person gets a spot" would work too.
What I don't want is this: "hmmmm skater A did well at Cup of China and Skate Canada, but poorly at Nationals, that is surely worth more than skater B who did poorly at a senior B and Nebelhorn Cup, but did well at Nationals. Or is it the other way around? Whoo dee dooo let's pick one we like better, either one is justifiable."
I don't want the selection of teams to be smart. I want them to be fair
I don't even have the words to respond to this. So you'd be perfectly happy with the US men having two spots next year as long as the team was, in your mind, fair?
I don't even have the words to respond to this. So you'd be perfectly happy with the US men having two spots next year as long as the team was, in your mind, fair?
It seems that every year the USFSA jiggles the rules just a little to give the selection committee a tiny bit more wiggle room than the year before. My point is to raise a red flag about "the thin edge of the wedge."