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    2018 Olympic and World Championship Spots

    Olympics and Worlds Qualification Table

    Discipline Men Ladies Pairs Ice Dance
    3 Spots Japan
    USA
    Russia
    Canada
    USA
    China
    Russia
    Canada
    Canada
    USA
    2 Spots China
    Spain
    Canada
    Russia
    Israel
    Japan
    Italy
    Kazakhstan
    South Korea
    Germany
    Italy
    France
    USA**
    France
    Russia
    Italy

    **As per Rule 400.A.3 (linked further down in this post), the total number of spots allocated to countries earning multiple spots is 17, which exceeds the allotted 16 Quota Spots. Thus, as the USA is the lowest placing country to earn 2 spots, they are not permitted to enter a second pair at the Olympics. This does not affect their ability to enter 2 entries to Worlds.

    Olympics and Worlds Qualification Rules

    Multiple Spots:

    For 3 spots:

    - If a country only has a single skater/couple, that skater/couple must place 1st or 2nd.
    - If a country has multiple skaters/couples, the top two of these must have placements totalling 13 or less

    For 2 spots:

    - If a country only has a single skater/couple, that skater/couple must place 3rd through 10th.
    - If a country has multiple skaters/couples, the top two of these must have placements totalling 28 or less

    Special notes:

    - Skaters/couples qualifying for the FS/FD but placing 17th or lower receive 16 placement points regardless of actual placement value
    - Skaters/couples competing in the SP/SD but not qualifying for the FS/FD receive 18 placement points regardless of actual placement value. (Exception: Only 16 teams qualify for the FS in Pairs, so the 17th team would therefore receive 17 placement points)

    Olympic Qualifications

    (ISU Qualification Procedures document)

    - Maximum spots per discipline: 30 for Men's, 30 for Ladies, 20 for Pairs, and 24 for Ice Dance

    - Quota spots determined at the 2017 World Championship: 24 for Men's, 24 for Ladies, 15 for Pairs, and 18 for Ice Dance
    -- ETA (9/28/2017): France has given up 1 pairs quota spot (retaining their second) and Denmark has given up their Ice Dance spot. Numbers for Worlds quota spots have been adjusted accordingly.


    - Countries may obtain multiple (2 or 3) Olympic quota spots at the 2017 World Championships as per policies spelled out above under "Multiple Spots". Quota spots will then be filled by the next best ranked countries who have not obtained multiple entries, until all quota spots allocated via 2017 World Championships are full.

    - Rule 400.A.3) If applying multiple spot allotment causes the Quota Spots to be exceeded, the last country to reach the placement totals required to gain a second spot will not be permitted to enter said second spot.

    - Remaining quota spots (6 for Men's, 6 for Ladies, 5 for Pairs, and 6 for Ice Dance) will be determined at the 2017 Nebelhorn Trophy, which will take place from September 27th - September 30th, 2017 in Oberstdorf, Germany. Countries may obtain a maximum of 1 spot per discipline for which they have not obtained spots via the 2017 World Champions.
    -- ETA (9/28/2017): France has given up 1 pairs quota spot (retaining their second) and Denmark has given up their Ice Dance spot. Numbers for "remaining quota spots" have been adjusted accordingly.

    - Host Spots, if necessary, will be determined after the Team Event qualifications are settled. Provided that there are remaining places from the 10 "Additional Athletes Quota" spots available for Team Event countries not fielding a full team, South Korea is eligible to a maximum of 1 host spot per discipline they do not qualify for through the 2017 World Championships or 2017 Nebelhorn Trophy.
    --ETA (4/4/2017): The ISU released a list of official spots qualified through Worlds, which also states that South Korea get host spots in disciplines they don't qualify one for, but makes no mention of the "Additional Athletes Quota" leftover spots part.
    --ETA (9/28/2017): A more recent document from May, Communication 2093, still includes the "Additional Athletes QUota" leftover spots provision again, so the original Host Spot info stands.
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    Table of Olympic Spots, Last Updated September 30th, 2017 after the Ladies' FS at the 2017 Nebelhorn Trophy

    Country Total Spots Men Ladies Pairs Ice Dance
    Canada 11 2 3 3 3
    USA 10* 3 3 1* 3
    Russia 10 2 3 3 2
    China 7 2 1 3 1
    Italy 7 1 2 2 2
    Japan 6 3 2 0 1
    France 5^ 1 1 1^ 2
    Germany 5 1 1 2 1
    Israel 4 2 0 1 1
    South Korea 4 1 2 0 1
    Spain 3 2 0 0 1
    Kazakhstan 3 1 2 0 0
    Czech Republic 3 1 0 1 1
    Australia 3 1 1 1 0
    Ukraine 3 1 1 0 1
    Latvia 2 1 1 0 0
    Belgium 2 1 1 0 0
    Slovakia 2 0 1 0 1
    Sweden 2 1 1 0 0
    Uzbekistan 1 1 0 0 0
    Georgia 1 1 0 0 0
    Malaysia 1 1 0 0 0
    Hungary 1 0 1 0 0
    Switzerland 1 0 1 0 0
    Brazil 1 0 1 0 0
    Finland 1 0 1 0 0
    Austria 1 0 0 1 0
    North Korea 1 0 0 1 0
    Poland 1 0 0 0 1
    Turkey 1 0 0 0 1
    Great Britain 1 0 0 0 1

    * USA met the placement points requirements for 2 Pairs spots, but as the last country to do so, will only be allowed 1 as per Rule 400.A.3
    **Formatted text represents those countries who have qualified entries in all 4 disciplines, 3 disciplines, or 2 disciplines. At least 3 are required for Team Event competition.
    ***Note: This table will be updated as teams declare they are not using all of their earned spots, and also as each discipline at Nebelhorn concludes.

    ^France earned 2 Pairs spots based on placements at the 2017 World Championships. However, they have elected to return one back to the Nebelhorn pool. Additionally, Denmark has returned their Ice Dance spot to the pool likely due to Laurence Fornier Beaudry's inability to obtain Danish citizenshp. Source.
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    2018 World Championships: Men

    2017 World Championships Men's results
    2017 Nebelhorn Trophy Men's results

    3 Spots

    Japan (1 + 2 = 3)
    USA (6 + 7 = 13)

    2 Spots

    China (3, only skater)
    Spain (4 + 18 = 22)
    Canada (5 + 9 = 14)
    Russia (8 + 11 = 19)
    Israel (10, only skater)

    2018 Winter Olympics: Men

    (1) Japan
    (2) Japan
    (3) Japan
    (4) USA
    (5) USA
    (6) USA
    (7) China
    (8) China
    (9) Spain
    (10) Spain
    (11) Canada
    (12) Canada
    (13) Russia
    (14) Russia
    (15) Israel
    (16) Israel
    (17) Uzbekistan
    (18) Georgia
    (19) Latvia
    (20) Australia
    (21) Kazakhstan
    (22) France
    (23) Czech Republic
    (24) Germany
    __________________________________
    (25) Belgium
    (26) Sweden
    (27) Italy
    (28) South Korea
    (29) Malaysia
    (30) Ukraine
    __________________________________
    (R1) Philippines
    (R2) Switzerland
    (R3) Great Britain
    (R4) Poland
    (R5) Armenia
    (R6) Netherlands
    (R7) Mexico
    (R8) Chinese Taipei
    (R9) Croatia
    (R10) Finland
    (R11) Estonia
    (R12) Hong Kong
    (R13) Norway
    (R14) Azerbaijan
    (R15) Turkey
    (R16) Belarus
    (R17) Bulgaria
    (R18) Ireland
    (R19) Austria
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    2017 World Championships Ladies' results
    2017 Nebelhorn Trophy Ladies' Results

    3 Spots

    Russia (1 + 8 = 9)
    Canada (2 + 3 = 5)
    USA (4 + 7 = 11)

    2 Spots

    Japan (5 + 11 = 16)
    Italy (6, only skater)
    Kazakhstan (9, only skater)
    South Korea (10, only skater)

    2018 Winter Olympics: Ladies
    (1) Russia
    (2) Russia
    (3) Russia
    (4) Canada
    (5) Canada
    (6) Canada
    (7) USA
    (8) USA
    (9) USA
    (10) Japan
    (11) Japan
    (12) Italy
    (13) Italy
    (14) Kazakhstan
    (15) Kazakhstan
    (16) South Korea
    (17) South Korea
    (18) China
    (19) Belgium
    (20) Slovakia
    (21) France
    (22) Germany
    (23) Hungary
    (24) Latvia
    _______________________________
    (25) Australia
    (26) Sweden
    (27) Switzerland
    (28) Brazil
    (29) Finland
    (30) Ukraine
    ________________________________
    (R1) Armenia
    (R2) Singapore
    (R3) Chinese Taipei
    (R4) Philippines
    (R5) Estonia
    (R6) Austria
    (R7) Slovenia
    (R8) Hong Kong
    (R9) Norway
    (R10) Czech Republic
    (R11) Great Britain
    (R12) Lithuania
    (R13) Azerbaijan
    (R14) Turkey
    (R15) Denmark
    (R16) Serbia
    (R17) Poland
    (R18) Liechtenstein
    (R19) Netherlands
    (R20) Bulgaria
    (R21) Thailand
    (R22) Mexico
    (R23) South Africa
    (R24) Greece
    (R25) Malaysia
    (R26) United Arab Emirates
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    2017 World Championships Pairs results
    2017 Nebelhorn Trophy Pairs results

    3 Spots

    China (1 + 4 = 5)
    Russia (3 + 5 = 6)
    Canada (6 + 7 = 13)

    2 Spots

    Germany (2 + 18 = 20)
    France (8 + 18 = 26)
    Italy (9 + 13 = 22)
    USA (10 + 18 = 28)
    - Note: As the lowest ranked country to obtain 2 spots, causing the 16 Quota Spots to be exceeded, USA will only be awarded 1 Olympic spot as per Rule 400.A.3, in the Special Regulations and Technical Rules

    2018 Winter Olympics: Pairs

    (1) China
    (2) China
    (3) China
    (4) Russia
    (5) Russia
    (6) Russia
    (7) Canada
    (8) Canada
    (9) Canada
    (10) Germany
    (11) Germany
    (12) France
    ----France (returned spot)*
    (13) Italy
    (14) Italy
    (15) USA
    ____________________________________
    (16) Australia
    (17) Austria
    (18) North Korea^
    (19) Israel
    (20) Czech Republic
    ____________________________________
    (R1) Japan^
    (R2) Belarus
    (R3) Spain
    (R4) Great Britain
    (R5) South Korea
    (R6) Hungary

    *France officially returned one of its' pairs spots to be reallocated at Nebelhorn.

    ^As of November 29th, 2017, North Korea may not have their pairs spot any longer, since they have not confirmed with the ISU that they would send their qualified pair, as per the October 30th deadline. Japan has not been officially offered the spot yet since the official date for that by December 13th.
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    2017 World Championships Ice Dance results
    2017 Nebelhorn Trophy Ice Dance Results

    3 Spots

    Canada (1 + 4 = 5)
    USA (3 + 7 = 10)

    2 Spots

    France (2 + 18 = 20)
    Russia (5 + 10 = 15)
    Italy (6 + 11 = 17)

    2018 Winter Olympics: Ice Dance
    (1) Canada
    (2) Canada
    (3) Canada
    (4) USA
    (5) USA
    (6) USA
    (7) France
    (8) France
    (9) Russia
    (10) Russia
    (11) Italy
    (12) Italy
    (13) Israel
    -----Denmark (returned spot)*
    (14) Poland
    (15) Ukraine
    (16) China
    (17) Turkey
    (18) Spain
    _______________________________
    (19) Great Britain
    (20) Japan
    (21) Germany
    (22) South Korea
    (23) Czech Republic
    (24) Slovakia
    _______________________________
    (R1) Lithuania
    (R2) Armenia
    (R3) Finland
    (R4) Belarus
    (R5) Hungary
    (R6) Latvia
    (R7) Azerbaijan
    (R8) Estonia
    (R9) Australia
    (R10) Sweden

    *Denmark earned a spot at Worlds but has returned it to be reallocated at Nebelhorn
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    With Ladies SP almost done, just a reminder that there's a summary of the Olympic qualification rules in the OP and the qualifying document is linked if you want to read more!

    (Saw some people asking early in the SP thread)

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    Interesting note based on the Pairs SP:

    From my post here so it doesn't get lost in the post-event discussion

    If spots were allotted based on the SP, when you add up spots from the countries who earned multiple spots, 17 spots are accounted for.

    Technically there's only 16 quota spots from Worlds and there's no clear detail on what happens if the spots based on Multiple Spot Allotment exceeds 16. Either France, as the last country right now, would only get one spot (which seems dumb) or only 3 spots would be available at Nebelhorn (which also seems dumb).
    ETA: According to the ISU Special Regulations and Technical Rules document,

    If the application of the above procedure results in
    more than twenty-four (24) Ladies or Men, sixteen (16) Pairs, or nineteen
    (19) Ice Dance Couples being eligible for direct entry, the last ISU Members
    to reach the qualifying limit would not be permitted to enter a
    Skater/Pair/Couple that would cause the limit to be exceeded
    So if after the FS, there are still 17 pairs "qualified" based on multiple spot allotment, the last ranked country to reach their multiple spots would not get their extra spot.

    Thanks to new member ivanja for pointing this out.
    Last edited by Chemistry66; 03-29-2017 at 03:23 PM.

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    2018 Winter Olympics - Qualification

    Ladies Standings after SP

    3 quotas

    Russia (1.+4.=5)
    Canada (2.+3.=5)
    USA (5.+7.=12)

    2 quotas

    Italy (8.)
    Japan (9.+12.=21)
    Kazakhstan (10.)

    1 quota

    South Korea (11.)
    Hungary (14.)
    China (16.)
    Belgium (17.)
    Slovakia (18.)
    Australia (19.)
    Latvia (21.)
    France (22.)
    Armenia (23.)

    2017 World Figure Skating Championships: http://www.isuresults.com/results/se...7/CAT002RS.HTM

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    For fun, Men's 2018 Olympic and Worlds spots if the SP standings were the final standings:

    SP Results

    3 spots

    Japan (2 + 5 = 7)

    2 spots

    Spain (1 + 18 = 19)
    Canada (3 + 12 = 15)
    China (4, only skater)
    USA (6 + 8 = 14)
    Russia (7 + 10 = 17)
    Kazakhstan (9, only skater)

    Olympic Spots (24 determined here out of 30 total, remaining 6 at Nebelhorn)

    (1) Japan
    (2) Japan
    (3) Japan
    (4) Spain
    (5) Spain
    (6) Canada
    (7) Canada
    (8) China
    (9) China
    (10) USA
    (11) USA
    (12) Russia
    (13) Russia
    (14) Kazakhstan
    (15) Kazakhstan
    (16) Israel
    (17) Australia
    (18) Latvia
    (19) Czech Republic
    (20) Uzbekistan
    (21) France
    (22) Sweden
    (23) Georgia
    (24) Germany

    Edited because I somehow glazed over Javier Raya of Spain.
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    Pairs qualified spots are up to date, I believe.

    Unfortunately, the US ends up as the ones subject to the technicality of Rule 400.A.3 just when they actually seemed to be showing some potential development in Pairs at Nationals.

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    Is it possible for the U.S. to get a second Olympic pairs spot via the Nebelhorn qualifying? Or are those 4 spots open only to countries that don't have a spot yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxiejan View Post
    Is it possible for the U.S. to get a second Olympic pairs spot via the Nebelhorn qualifying? Or are those 4 spots open only to countries that don't have a spot yet?
    Your second question is correct. (This is also stated in the bullets in the OP, and if you need a reference, in the linked Qualification Procedures document)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemistry66 View Post
    2018 World Championships: Pairs

    2017 Pairs results: http://www.isuresults.com/results/se...7/CAT003RS.HTM

    3 Spots

    China (1 + 5 = 6)
    Russia (3 + 4 = 7)
    Canada (6 + 7 = 13)

    2 Spots

    Germany (2 + 18 = 20)
    France (8 + 18 = 26)
    Italy (9 + 13 = 22)
    USA (10 + 18 = 28)
    - Note: As the lowest ranked country to obtain 2 spots, causing the 16 Quota Spots to be exceeded, USA will only be awarded 1 Olympic spot as per Rule 400.A.3, in the Special Regulations and Technical Rules
    I thought USA had a total score of 30, with Denney and Frazier placing 20th, not 18th.
    Last edited by boo69; 03-30-2017 at 11:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boo69 View Post
    I thought USA had a total score of 30, with Denney and Frazier placing 20th, not 18th.
    Please read the first post, which explains how placement points are capped for those who don't qualify for the FS.

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