What is your opinion?
YES, he should give it up even if it's not "official."
NO, it's his. He won it fair & square.
He should wait and see what transpires over the next few days as officials sort out the mess.
I don't know enough to render an opinion.
What is your opinion?
Why not the same solution as the winter olympics pair skater's fiasco?
Because "fiasco" is the operative word here. Beyond the obvious reason that these are two completely different situations, no sport would be willing to emulate the emabarassment that FS has, 2 years later, still failed to recover from.Originally Posted by IDLERACER
Tough one to call. Too many 'ifs' involved. Yang finished in 3rd place. If he had won the high bar it would not be more than a couple of thousandths. Would that be enough for him to move pass his teamate and then Hamm? Then there is the judges scoring differently if his SV was correct? And I'm not convinced that the Koreans complained orally with no one listening at the time of the competition - not even a disinterested party to confirm they did. I can not imagine some official telling them to put it in writing the next day. hmmm.
Neither Yang nor Hamm are at fault. that's the sad part. Yang goes away feeling rejected. Hamm goes away feeling dejected.
I reluctantly vote Hamm as the winner!!
Hopefully, the officials now plan to have SVs shown in lights while the athlete is about to execute his routine and keeping that SV on until he is finished.
Oh, the subjectivity of judged sports.
Originally Posted by IDLERACER
Yup.... That's what I say... Let it be that...
I big No. Yang should have had more deductions so if he wants a review then he will get the value up to 10 and take the deductions that weren’t originally taken off which would probably knock him out of the medals. Would that be fair.
Our favorite gal Christine Brennan wrote a big whoop-de-do about why Paul should give his medal to the Korean guy. I think instead that Brennan should win a gold medal and give hers away.
It's easy for someone like her to give up someone ELSE'S gold medal, isn't it? These journalists LOVE controversy, don't they? And they love to get as much mileage as they can from it!Originally Posted by Mathman
Mathman,Originally Posted by Mathman
That's the best suggestion regarding something Christine Brennan has written I've ever read.
Originally Posted by Mathman
Whereas I think she is a brilliant writer she really is a jerk
Who would want to keep a gold medal that they won through a judging error? In the figure skating "fiasco" as someone called it - that was an obvious dishonest judging manipulation. This was different.
A few years ago a Canadian synchro swimmer - Sylvie Frechette was denied the gold medal by a judging error. The judge had incorrectly entered her mark in the electronic scoring system. After a formal inquiry, Sylvie was finally awarded the gold medal
Here is the story:
In the Hamm case, the A judges entered the wrong start value for Yang's PBar routine. When Yang's PBar score was posted, the SV was posted as well, and the Korean coaches SAW that it was wrong, yet they did not protest it immediately, before the rotation ended, according to the rules (in the preliminary competition, the same coaches had initiated protests over wrong SVs for other gymnasts, so they certainly knew what had to be done to correct it).Originally Posted by Ladskater
Going into the last rotation, the Hbar, Yang and Hamm were the last two gymnasts to perform. At that point, Yang was far enough ahead of Hamm (who'd fallen on his PHorse dismount) that a score equivalent to what Yang got in the preliminaries would assure Yang of gold. But Yang unexpectedly got a low 9.475 on his Hbar, and Paul Hamm got a 9.873, putting Hamm in first and Yang in 3rd. It was only then, when the competition was over, that the Korean coaches protested the Pbar SV.
Hamm truly DID win the AA gold medal, because the Korean coaches had allowed the Pbar SV to stand instead of protesting it before that rotation ended, as required by the FIG rules. The judges made a mistake of submission, and the coaches made a mistake of omission. Hamm did his job as a gymnast and fairly won the competition.
From recent reports, apparently the Korean coaches are taking the protest to CAS and the case will be heard in September. Although the FIG is standing firm on not changing the results, they did send an infamous letter to Paul Hamm, routed through the USOC, urging him to 'do the right thing' and surrender his gold medal. In effect, FIG had the gall to ask Hamm to make restitution for the mistakes of the FIG judges, compounded by the inaction of the Korean coaches. The USOC, the IOC and US Gymnastics have condemned FIG's letter and have now backed off their willingness to allow two gold medals (which the FIG had immediately dismissed as a solution).
Paul Hamm should keep his gold medal. He did nothing wrong.
What happened to the other Gold medal? Did the original winner got keep her Gold?Originally Posted by Ladskater
A duplicate gold was awarded to Frechette. Babb-Sprague kept her gold medal.Originally Posted by mzheng