Evgenia Medvedeva: 2016-17 season

moriel · May 26, 2017

mrrice said:
This is an excellent question!!! The answer, IMO, is NO. Especially with Kaetlyn Osmond in the field. To me, Kaetlyn and Ashley are the only skaters who could beat Med in components. If Med makes an error and Kaetlyn goes clean, I give the OGM to Osmond. The things is, Med has nerves of steel. I love so many skaters but, if I had to pick my dream podium for the Ladies, it would look like this. Med, Osmond, Wagner, in ANY order.

Now, lets word it differently.
If Medvedeva only would get strict calls, the answer in NO.
If everybody would get strict calls? YES.
If Ashley got her carrots fair and square every skate, even perfect 10s in components wouldn´t save her. She is quite prone to URs and they don´t always get called. Strict calls would probably hurt her more than Med.
Kaetlyn´s lutz aint perfect either and she would get same ! and e calls as Medvedeva, basically.
So everybody would probably just go down a few points, and the gap remains proportionally the same.

Also, medvedeva still has a consistency edge over those two. Kaetlyn didn´t skate a single clean FS this year, and Ashley always had consistency issues on her best seasons even =(

tars · May 26, 2017

jFarrisFAN said:
What I think a lot of people don't understand is how evgenia abuses the angle of the jump to make her edge look less severe. On camera we see from directly behind but the technical specialist only has access to 1 camera angle and that's positioned where they are sitting. The fact that she does it where the opposite corner of the normal "lutz corner" (adjacent to judges) makes it harder to spot where the judges are. It's actually a genius idea because it makes it nearly impossible to see if they edge is severe so a lot of the time they will give no edge call or just a (!) unclear edge call. It's all about the perspective from where the judge is. I saw her live and was sitting very close to the judges and trust me it's hard to spot. It's kind of like how Gracie did her flip towards the corner and they rarely called (e) on her during the 2015-2016 season.

Thanks for info, but seriously - it's year 2017, HD, UltraHD, 4HD, ISU can't put the blame on shrewd skaters and technical deficiencies.
It'd be ridiculous and afaik they don't do that. So again - why bother to differentiate jumps, if not many care?

gmyers · May 26, 2017

War on Medvedeva post!

KatGrace1925 · May 26, 2017

breadstal said:
It's something that is really hard to fix, it took literally whole career for Mao to do this. I don't think it's really on her mind with Olympics season ahead, good that she's aware of that but I don't see her correcting it anytime soon. It's just sad how things like that are just not called and it's not only about Evgenia tbh, lack of edge calls @ this year's Worlds was just sad.

Edge calls and underrotations were so inconsistent this worlds. They do not seem to ever apply the standard across the board, it's really annoying.

jFarrisFAN · May 27, 2017

tars said:
Thanks for info, but seriously - it's year 2017, HD, UltraHD, 4HD, ISU can't put the blame on shrewd skaters and technical deficiencies.
It'd be ridiculous and afaik they don't do that. So again - why bother to differentiate jumps, if not many care?

It's not a technical deficiency, it's just that they only want the performance to be judged from where the judges and officials sit. That's why there's only 1 camera angle. But i agree with the fact that people obviously don't care about it.

mrrice · May 27, 2017

I have a question....Where is Kostner? Is she skating in any of the Summer Shows? She is another skater who could stir things up if she go's clean.

zanadude · May 27, 2017

Medvedeva is working on a quad flutz now.

Sam-Skwantch · May 27, 2017

zanadude said:
Medvedeva is working on a quad flutz now.

"Quad flutz" sounds like somebody sneezing. The caller on the tech panel will call out "quad flutz" and one of the judges may turn and say God bless you.

Actually on second thought....maybe after someone sneezes we should just say "quad flutz" to the sneezer :laugh:

Osmond4gold · May 27, 2017

Between Anna's cow-patty Lutz and Med's over the top leg-kicks, these ladies could benefit from some North American styled coaching, to correct their jumping techniques. Am I alone in my thinking?

ejnsofi · May 27, 2017

zanadude said:
Medvedeva is working on a quad flutz now.

From what I understood she was just trying it but she wasn't satisfied with effects. I guess the only quad flutzer we will see in not so distant future will be Shoma

Skater Boy · May 27, 2017

Oh gosh it is definitely off season. Tsk tsk tsk. We can pick apart so many skaters but somehow we have "hate" for some more than others. Yes her lutz isn't perfect I agree; not bad though. I can't figure out why i sense hatred towards to the girls yet when we think of other skaters including popular skaters of the past like michelle kwan no one says anything about her jump issues or the genral lack of amplitude.

KatGrace1925 · May 27, 2017

Marius said:
This!
The problem is not Evgenia's flutz, the problem is Evgenia's Flutz + Kaetlyn's Flutz + Ashley's Flutz + Gracie's Lip + Anna's Lip + Satoko's Lip + Daleman's Flutz + Chen's Lip + Mihara's flutz + Wakaba's Lip and the list goes on.
The fact is that a jump with an incorrect edge on the take off SHOULD get called. The reality is that, in Helsinki, in the top 10 of the FS, the only edge deduction was on Ashley's lutz.
Edge deduction should get called and is not right to say "is not a problem because judges don't favor skater A or skater B if they don't call an edge for both". ISU, at the start of this Olympic Cycle, has even reduced the BV for a jump with an "e" call.
My last point: a jump with an edge problem should get called at least with a "!" because it would help skaters with a correct edge technique, like Kostner -if she will try a Lutz next season- or Sotskova, or Zagitova, or Honda etc.

I agree with every single thing you said.

KatGrace1925 · May 27, 2017

Skater Boy said:
Oh gosh it is definitely off season. Tsk tsk tsk. We can pick apart so many skaters but somehow we have "hate" for some more than others. Yes her lutz isn't perfect I agree; not bad though. I can't figure out why i sense hatred towards to the girls yet when we think of other skaters including popular skaters of the past like michelle kwan no one says anything about her jump issues or the genral lack of amplitude.

People hate her for different reasons, mostly it is because she is on top by massive margins. Those on top are always a target for criticism. Besides that Evgenia is being held up as a standard for figure skating by her massive scores (not her fault), that will breed discussion and it's not all about hating Evgenia.

gmyers · May 27, 2017

Osmond4gold said:
Between Anna's cow-patty Lutz and Med's over the top leg-kicks, these ladies could benefit from some North American styled coaching, to correct their jumping techniques. Am I alone in my thinking?

This isn't ice dance! Americans flutz big league!

gsyzf · May 27, 2017

Skater Boy said:
Oh gosh it is definitely off season. Tsk tsk tsk. We can pick apart so many skaters but somehow we have "hate" for some more than others. Yes her lutz isn't perfect I agree; not bad though. I can't figure out why i sense hatred towards to the girls yet when we think of other skaters including popular skaters of the past like michelle kwan no one says anything about her jump issues or the genral lack of amplitude.

Here is my observation. When a skater (or any individual) some fans dislike keeps winning and is favored, many of these fans would exaggerate that skater's weakness and downplay that skater's strength. If it's the fans' favorite skater keeps winning and receives favoritism, many of his/her fans would downplay that skater's weakness and exaggerate that skater's strength.

I think a lot of the comments about Medvedeva's weakness are exaggerated. If she is a superstar, you would hear much less criticism of her and a lot more praise of her. It's hard to explain someone's popularity. Some people are just born with star quality. I think a lot of these threads and negativity towards Medvedev is due to her not being a super star but she keeps winning.

LRK · May 27, 2017

mrrice said:
I have a question....Where is Kostner? Is she skating in any of the Summer Shows? She is another skater who could stir things up if she go's clean.

She did Fantasy on Ice in Japan this weekend:

https://twitter.com/msKOSTNER/status/866571555324743680

mrrice · May 27, 2017

LRK said:
She did Fantasy on Ice in Japan this weekend:

https://twitter.com/msKOSTNER/status/866571555324743680

I can't believe how young she looks. I remember as clear as day the first time I really noticed her. It was this program....I can't believe this was 13 years ago........Her Song From A Secret Garden SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuwrdXlFVRc

Skater Boy · May 27, 2017

gsyzf said:
Here is my observation. When a skater (or any individual) some fans dislike keeps winning and is favored, many of these fans would exaggerate that skater's weakness and downplay that skater's strength. If it's the fans' favorite skater keeps winning and receives favoritism, many of his/her fans would downplay that skater's weakness and exaggerate that skater's strength.

I think a lot of the comments about Medvedeva's weakness are exaggerated. If she is a superstar, you would hear much less criticism of her and a lot more praise of her. It's hard to explain someone's popularity. Some people are just born with star quality. I think a lot of these threads and negativity towards Medvedev is due to her not being a super star but she keeps winning.

then why isn't there more attack on Hanyu. Chan used to be picked on all the time but now he is a has been. Terms were even used - though I can't figure out why the terms were allowed here at GS.

gsyzf · May 28, 2017

Skater Boy said:
then why isn't there more attack on Hanyu. Chan used to be picked on all the time but now he is a has been. Terms were even used - though I can't figure out why the terms were allowed here at GS.

Hanyu is the most popular male skater. None of the other male skater's popularity is anywhere near Hanyu's popularity. Only Plushenko's popularity rivals Hanyu's. So you will hear a lot more praise of Hanyu and much less criticism of Hanyu. Chan is not very popular, so he was picked on a lot when he was winning a lot before Sochi Olympics. Now Chan doesn't win any more, and you also see much less criticism of him and more praise of him now. (Basically, if a skater is not popular but wins (and wins a lot), he/she will be criticized a lot. If a popular skater wins a lot, he/she will receive a lot of praise and much less criticism than a not so popular skater.)

Sweet Dream · May 28, 2017

I think the judges should be fair to every skater and work consistently throughout the whole season. Even though she is the WC, Medvedeva still has technical issues to handle, so that the GOE points awarded to her in competitions are considered overly generous and unfair by many fans. I believe that the judging panel in the Olympic season will get more unbiased & rational.

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