Favourite Warhorse Interpretation
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I have a very difficult time thinking of Riverdance as a warhorse. But I'd be willing to bet that 40 years from now, Bourne & Kraatz won't be the Riverdance remembered with "end of discussion". But I can discuss that in a non-warhorse thread.
And @4everchan, I am nothing if not generous
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I have a very difficult time thinking of Riverdance as a warhorse. But I'd be willing to bet that 40 years from now, Bourne & Kraatz won't be the Riverdance remembered with "end of discussion". But I can discuss that in a non-warhorse thread.
And @4everchan, I am nothing if not generous
Actually, it's become a warhorse with multiple skaters doing it over the years since B/K. But they're the ones that those of us who remember amazing skating will think of with the piece. YMMV. I mean, it definitely won't be Rika Hongo or someone similar.
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Actually, it's become a warhorse with multiple skaters doing it over the years since B/K. But they're the ones that those of us who remember amazing skating will think of with the piece. YMMV. I mean, it definitely won't be Rika Hongo or someone similar.
Since I remember Janet Lynn, Toller Cranston, and the others I mentioned, I think I remember some pretty amazing skaters.
And those who of us who remember skaters like that will remember another amazing skater, Jason Brown, and his Riverdance. Can't say that I will remember the others.
YMMV.
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the way i see this is that for some skaters, not only they had a great interpretation of a warhorse but the music remains known as "their greatest"
that's why IMHO B n K "own" riverdance... already, I feel like Jason has skated a better program for himself with his most recent LP (despite the too many high kicks) and i think he may be remembered more for that program than his riverdance... ymmv
let me give you an example...
valse triste : i love virtue and moir's interpretation and though it was stellar, i don't think it surpasses their carmen or mahler 5....
however rahkamo kokko... WOW... they own valse triste... have fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk2LqLNPelc
that's why IMHO B n K "own" riverdance... already, I feel like Jason has skated a better program for himself with his most recent LP (despite the too many high kicks) and i think he may be remembered more for that program than his riverdance... ymmv
let me give you an example...
valse triste : i love virtue and moir's interpretation and though it was stellar, i don't think it surpasses their carmen or mahler 5....
however rahkamo kokko... WOW... they own valse triste... have fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk2LqLNPelc
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True classic artistry from my idol and legend in his own right with a warhorse (I actually prefer other programs of his but this was the only warhorse he's skated at least that's on YouTube at this point).
Robin Cousins "Music of the Night from POTO" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_xwhkc_A1E
Robin Cousins "Music of the Night from POTO" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_xwhkc_A1E
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No Carmen has ever come close to Bestemianova/Bukin's 1985 Free Dance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk
It is the perfect Carmen, and I'm not even a fan of this team as I felt they robbed Klimova/Ponomarenko nearly the entire 1985-1988 Olympic cycle.
As for Ladies singles, Fumie Suguri has my favorite Carmen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX21Vo5LTKE
I liked Katarina Witt's portrayal on her Carmen on Ice special, but not that Olympic program. I actually sort of hate Witt's 1988 Olympic Carmen as a skating program, and I truly disliked her make-up and costume for it as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk
It is the perfect Carmen, and I'm not even a fan of this team as I felt they robbed Klimova/Ponomarenko nearly the entire 1985-1988 Olympic cycle.
As for Ladies singles, Fumie Suguri has my favorite Carmen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX21Vo5LTKE
I liked Katarina Witt's portrayal on her Carmen on Ice special, but not that Olympic program. I actually sort of hate Witt's 1988 Olympic Carmen as a skating program, and I truly disliked her make-up and costume for it as well.
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Certainly, not for me because I haven't felt that they meshed well with the tricky Irish dance into their routine. I've highly regarded their effort for the adventure in figure skating, but their tapping moves looked too awkward and crammed, so there is a little room for them to dance together on the ice. No wonder though, Irish dance requires straight lines with little usages of arms and upper body.
On the other hand, choreography-wise, I think Rika Hongo's Riverdance is the best program, but she didn't live up to its full potential that the choreographer, Kenji Miyamoto intended in my opinion. I've wondered what Akiko Suzuki (who has mentored Rika) who knows how instinctively to dance would do the program instead. Jason Brown's break-through Riverdance is also not my cup of tea as it doesn't have sufficient Irish dance moves in my point of view although the overall package such as music, outfit is pretty good. However, I think the program is overrated though. Firedance is one of the Riverdance musical, but it is not Irish per se, but Satoko Miyahara sold it very well with the well choreographed program.
No intention to disregard your opinion as you do have your preference so do I, but saying "End of Discussion" to the open discussion triggered me to respond to your post.
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Your post makes me intrigued because I remember you said V/M's Carmen contains unnecessary descriptions in the program especially regarding their straight line lift, so it was not unfairly underscored by the judges back than who always would rather prefer traditional Carmens. Despite that, you became liking the program over all Carmen interpretations by other skaters? I'm just curious.
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Thank God! I was thinking the Witt Carmen program was probably my least fav. OGM of all time. I remember the CTV commentaries afterwards with a long awkward pause saying..."umm, well...she wanted to do a good job...". It just never really came together for her and was def. overshadowed by Liz's 5 triple program, versus Kat's 2 jumps, which were then repeated (no lutz, no loop). Her Carmen was more style than substance combined with the mastery of a 2 triples program.
Give me Kaetlyn Osmond's version and her wonderful 1st international win at Nebelhorn anytime, versus Witt and Jutta Mueller's antics.
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Favorite R & J ever is Julia.. (Sasha second..)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zqwjW3xuhCk
And also Russian junior dance team last year Sofia Polishchuk & Alexander Vakhnov St Gervais (posted in these pages before).. IM limited HO warhorses are important if not essential for juniors in skating historical context as they learn to connect to music...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B9zn6fkPl8A
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zqwjW3xuhCk
And also Russian junior dance team last year Sofia Polishchuk & Alexander Vakhnov St Gervais (posted in these pages before).. IM limited HO warhorses are important if not essential for juniors in skating historical context as they learn to connect to music...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B9zn6fkPl8A
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patrick was
I think Patrick has definitely graduated, and his recent programs show that (I thought him skating to Eric Radford's composition was really cool).
I think Sasha Cohen is a great choice for "warhorse queen" LOL. For warhorse king, I'd say Evan Lysacek.
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Certainly, not for me because I haven't felt that they meshed well with the tricky Irish dance into their routine. I've highly regarded their effort for the adventure in figure skating, but their tapping moves looked too awkward and crammed, so there is a little room for them to dance together on the ice. No wonder though, Irish dance requires straight lines with little usages of arms and upper body.
On the other hand, choreography-wise, I think Rika Hongo's Riverdance is the best program, but she didn't live up to its full potential that the choreographer, Kenji Miyamoto intended in my opinion. I've wondered what Akiko Suzuki (who has mentored Rika) who knows how instinctively to dance would do the program instead. Jason Brown's break-through Riverdance is also not my cup of tea as it doesn't have sufficient Irish dance moves in my point of view although the overall package such as music, outfit is pretty good. However, I think the program is overrated though. Firedance is one of the Riverdance musical, but it is not Irish per se, but Satoko Miyahara sold it very well with the well choreographed program.
No intention to disregard your opinion as you do have your preference so do I, but saying "End of Discussion" to the open discussion triggered me to respond to your post.
YMMV.
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All right then.
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I think Sasha Cohen is a great choice for "warhorse queen" LOL. For warhorse king, I'd say Evan Lysacek.
I agree that Sasha is entitled to a warhorse queen because she sold her such pieces pretty well. However, while Evan did a lot of warhorse pieces, I think his programs didn't stand out well or beat all other versions except his Carmen at Turin. I've considered his Scheherazade and Firebird quite bizarre in terms of interpretation and overall packages. I can't think he ever ascended the throne of warhorse.
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Have many skaters used Carmen Suite II. Dance Seems like a fiery SP for someone on their game.
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How many firebird's have their been?
Gracie Gold:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f44iy1dU2-M
Tonia Kwiatkowski:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBRxhftqe0
Evan Lysacek:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rmnRJGra5g
And Toller Cranston's Disco Firebird:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cf_zI9Xo9o
Gracie Gold:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f44iy1dU2-M
Tonia Kwiatkowski:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBRxhftqe0
Evan Lysacek:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rmnRJGra5g
And Toller Cranston's Disco Firebird:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cf_zI9Xo9o
I said that?
. I remember that I did not like the first time, but it was mainly because the costumes , after of watch the video 2 or 3 times I fell in love with the program. I do not remember having problems with lifts or unnecessary descriptions 
. But that was a long time ago, so I can not be completely sure
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Anna was a Firebird! Sasha Proklova also had a very good Firebird considering her injuries that season.
