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    Michelle skating to Bolero - good or bad choice?

    there are rumors rampant around the net Michelle is skating to Bolero. I just dont think this is a good choice - this music is so cliche in the skating world. Michelle needs to drop Bolero ASAP and go back to skating to unused, original, and beautiful selections of music@@!@!!!!

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    Bolero? The legendary "Bolero" T & D once skated to?
    She better let it be, one needs a certain extend of "boiling blood" to interprete that music.
    Waaaay too big for Kwan, but I'm sure Cohen or Shizuka could do it.

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    BAD NEWS!

    When are skaters going to realize that Bolero is the music of a chorus number. It is calling out for the entire cast to come back for a finale. T&D got away with it because they were something different in the dance world and it worked for dance. It killed Abt because it prohibits great flow over the ice and that was one of his best features.

    I really hope this rumor is wrong and if not, I hope it is only for the SP.

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    What I don't understand is how Michelle manages to keep her music selections secret every year. There are thousands of people who are interested in this, and many who would love to be the hero who gets the big scoop for the Internet boards. Fans go to her practices and hang out with people who know her or her coach or choreographers. Still, the only thing we have to comfort ourselves in the off season is one rumor after another.

    Michelle herself must be chuckling up her sleeve.

    I agree with Joe. This music is waaaay too insipid and vacuous for Michelle.

    (If I were in a naughty mood I would also I agree with Anke and say that I hope Michelle's rivals use it. :D )

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    Last edited by Mathman; 09-02-2004 at 06:14 AM.

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    More on Bolero

    "A British study, published in today's Psychiatric Bulletin, suggests that Ravel's Bolero, reputed to be the most often played composition in the repertoire, was the work of a pathological mind. Dr Eva Cybulska, the author of the study, claims that the famous melody repeated 18 times without change during the course of the piece demonstrates that the French composer was possibly succumbing to Alzheimer's disease. The Kent-based psychiatrist claims that perseveration, an obsession with repeating words and gestures, is one of the more notable symptoms of this pathology. In other words, the repetitive nature of the score's principal theme is symptomatic of the degenerative condition which began to trouble the French composer in 1927 at the age of 52."

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    I never mind skaters using "overused" music and although I'm looking forward to see Michelle's interpretation, Bolero is the one piece I know absolutely no one can do better than T/D. Sort of a bad choice, IMO. I liked it a lot more when she used unknown music.

    IMO though she can actually make it work. The music has a very particular flow, very repetitive and I think that the quality of Michelle's edges and flow and her usual kind of choreography can make it work. I think Michelle does better with less dramatic music and to me Bolero (for the most part) hasn't much drama going on LOL (did this make sense? LOL)

    Yikes, Anke there is no way Sasha or Shizuka could make this work more than Michelle. They are much more powerful skaters and music with more variation suits them better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    What I don't understand is how Michelle manages to keep her music selections secret every year. There are thousands of people who are interested in this, and many who would love to be the hero who gets the big scoop for the Internet boards. Fans go to her practices and hang out with people who know her or her coach or choreographers. Still, the only thing we have to comfort ourselves in the off season is one rumor after another.

    Michelle herself must be chuckling up her sleeve.

    I agree with Joe. This music is waaaay too insipid and vacuous for Michelle.

    (If I were in a naughty mood I would also I agree with Anke and say that I hope Michelle's rivals use it. :D )

    Mathman
    Yikes! I think I'll come back here after Campbells to see what you have to say

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    I feel that in general if one is going to skate to "Bolero", better to use it as a long program and don't even go there with a short program. The appeal of "Bolero", musically, is that it builds on itself and builds on itself to the climax, and one has a better chance of translating this aspect of the piece in 4 minutes rather than 2 1/2. Every short program I've seen of "Bolero" gives the impression that they started in the middle (which they did) and I don't think it's a good effect overall; it just seems disjointed.

    As for Michelle using it -- in part it will depend on who's doing the choreography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Wheeler
    Yikes! I think I'll come back here after Campbells to see what you have to say
    Preview of Mathman's commentary: "Kwan's brilliant selection of the Ravel masterpiece swept away the competition at the season-opening skatefest..."

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    Just Do It

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    (If I were in a naughty mood I would also I agree with Anke and say that I hope Michelle's rivals use it. :D )Mathman
    You, naughty Math, NEVER!!

    I guess for the life of me I never understand what all the secrecy is about. Will she do the Grand Prix? Will she be at Nationals or Worlds?? Will she get the Gold in Turino? I guess if she wants to use Bolero, I am excited to see her perform it. Oops, I forgot is that a secret???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    What I don't understand is how Michelle manages to keep her music selections secret every year. There are thousands of people who are interested in this, and many who would love to be the hero who gets the big scoop for the Internet boards. Fans go to her practices and hang out with people who know her or her coach or choreographers. Still, the only thing we have to comfort ourselves in the off season is one rumor after another.
    There's a post on FSU that says that The Lion King music was tied up in some kind of copyright dispute and that she had to change her music.

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    "There's a post on FSU that says that The Lion King music was tied up in some kind of copyright dispute and that she had to change her music. -- Hockyfan
    Gosh, doesn't Disney own the Lion King? Doesn't Michelle own Disney?
    There was a rumor some months ago that Chris Dean himself was the one who choreographed Bolero for Kwan.

    I really didn't believe it then. Now that her SP and LP choices are basically confirmed by a reliable source, I wonder if Chris Dean really did choreograph it for Kwan." -- VietTerrificGirl
    How cool will that be if Christopher Dean worked with Michelle on this! Didn't he do the Miraculous Mandarin for her?

    OT --
    "What did the match maker tell Mulan about a silk purse?" -- RTureck
    "This is what you give me to work with?
    Well, honey, I've seen worse.
    We're going to turn this sow's ear
    Into a silk purse.

    Now add a cricket, just for luck,
    You'll bring honor to us all!"

    http://www.angelfire.com/movies/disn...way/mulan.html

    Guess what I just found out about that old proverb? It comes from a French word "sousier," which was a cheep cotton change purse for carrying your "sou" (a small coin).

    MM

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    Always bad to skate to someone else's signature piece, IMO.

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    Bolero will always be Torville and Dean's signature piece. One only has to hear the opening beats of the music and that lovely vision comes to mind. I am not sure if this is a great choice for Michelle. For one thing the music is one steady beat that builds. It was well suited for ice dance at least the treatment Torville and Dean gave the music.

    From the comments here, it seems to be pure speculation. I think we better wait until the jury is out on this one. The skating season has not even started!


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    I think, if true, this would be a horrible choice of music for Kwan. It doesn't have enough ups and downs for her to skate to well. She is a skater who is very tied to her music - a good thing, IMO - so a really bad piece of music can sink her. Not that Bolero is bad per se, just not right for Kwan - or any singles skater really. It's too blah. Also, using someone's else's signature? Gotta be careful on that one.

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