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    Just wondering why in 1998 did the US only have 2 competitors in the Ladies competition when they had 3 compete in the Olympics? Did Nicole Bobek drop out last minute?

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    Found an old article on the topic:

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...o-nicole-bobek

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimini View Post
    Interesting. I had no idea that back then if 3 skaters were at Worlds, they had to add up to 21 or less to keep 3 spots. I like this better than the rule now where the third skater doesn't factor in at all which is just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravy View Post
    Interesting. I had no idea that back then if 3 skaters were at Worlds, they had to add up to 21 or less to keep 3 spots. I like this better than the rule now where the third skater doesn't factor in at all which is just stupid.
    I think this is why the French Fed kept Surya at home for 1997 Worlds, even though she was the national champ. Fortunately, Gusmeroli (3rd) and Hubert (6th) placed well enough to earn three spots at the Olympics. Bonaly could have easily cost them the third spot spot, as she did not have the flip or lutz back consistently after her injury.

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    Interesting .... The gossip section of the my local paper stated that the reason was because Angela couldn't be reached because she was visiting relatives in Bulgaria... I thought that was rather sad and strange..

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    Since we have a thread for it, judging the Ladies' SP at this event is quite an interesting task. I would argue Slutskaya should have been down in 7th and Butyrskaya down in 11th. In the end Slutskaya still would have won the Silver medal with those SP results, but Butyrskaya would have been pushed down to 5th overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Since we have a thread for it, judging the Ladies' SP at this event is quite an interesting task. I would argue Slutskaya should have been down in 7th and Butyrskaya down in 11th. In the end Slutskaya still would have won the Silver medal with those SP results, but Butyrskaya would have been pushed down to 5th overall.
    Going back to 1998 you need to remember that Maria was reigning National and European Champion. She finished just off the podium in Nagano placing 4th. Had she not had the freak fall in her LP, I would have had her finishing in 2nd ahead of Slutskaya. This was also the debut of her short hair....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq3nY97PwPY

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    I bought a protocol book for this event in Minneapolis.

    The skating and the judging were pretty much all over the place.

    In case anyone is interested in the ladies SP ordinals:

    1 Kwan
    2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
    2 Rechnio
    3 2 2 6 2 2 3 2 3
    3 Hubert
    1 4 6 2 4 3 4 6 13
    4 Slutskaya
    4 3 5 3 7 6 8 5 6
    5 Butyrskaya
    6 6 8 5 6 9 6 8 7
    6 Liashenko
    7 5 3 4 3 8 7 7 8
    7 Malinina
    9 8 4 9 4 7 2 9 2
    8 Kwiatkowski
    15 7 9 12 9 4 9 4 5
    9 Gusmeroli
    8 9 7 8 11 11 10 15 4
    10 Szewczenko
    5 10 12 7 12 10 11 3 10
    11 Vorobieva
    14 11 10 11 10 5 4 10 9
    12 Lavrenchuk
    10 12 13 16 7 12 13 11 14
    13 Sokolova
    16 13 11 10 13 13 14 12 12
    14 Paurova
    12 15 17 18 21 13 16 16 16
    15 Poth
    13 16 19 20 18 14 15 14 21
    16 Carter
    22 17 15 19 19 16 12 17 15
    17 Kulovana
    11 14 14 21 15 22 25 19 17
    18 Leray
    21 18 16 22 16 17 20 21 11
    19 Derochie
    23 19 21 15 14 15 22 13 22
    20 Sebestyen
    17 20 20 24 17 19 19 22 18
    21 Fontana
    19 22 23 17 20 21 18 18 23
    22 Arakawa
    20 24 22 18 24 20 17 23 20
    23 Kopac
    18 21 18 14 22 23 21 24 19
    24 Ruh
    24 23 24 23 23 24 23 20 24
    25 Drei
    25 25 25 25 25 25 24 25 25
    26
    28 26 28 26 26 26 27 30 26
    Lundstrom
    27 23 26 27 27 30 28 27 28
    Andrade
    26 27 30 30 28 27 26 29 29
    Choi
    29 29 27 29 29 29 29 26 27
    Du
    30 30 29 28 30 23 30 28 30

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    Yeah, this was the event where Hubert was given a 1st and 13th ordinal for the same program. When else have we seen a disparity like that?

    I liked that program from Hubert quite a bit, flaws and all. The ending would be considered daring even today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shmay View Post
    I liked that program from Hubert quite a bit, flaws and all. The ending would be considered daring even today.
    And the exit of the combination spin, with the forward outside loop. It's not a feature or a GOE bullet in the current rules, but at least it should be worth something in Transitions.

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    I think Rechnio was the only skater other than Tara Lipinski who took one ordinal away from Kwan for that short program that whole season. The Japanese judge put Tara ahead of Michelle (5.8/5.8 v. 5.7/5.9) at Skate America and the French judge put Tara ahead of Michelle at the Olympics (5.7/5.9 v. 5.6/5.9). At Worlds, Hubert took the Hungarian judge who gave her a 5.7/5.7 while giving Kwan a 5.5/5.9. Hubert was the only skater other than Kwan to beat Lipinski at a competition all season as well. Despite her 20th place in Nagano and just missing out on the medals at Worlds, she had a really good season for her.

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    Thanks for posting those ordinals gkelly, shows how much of a juggling act was going on with regards to separating all of the different qualities and mistakes from the ladies in this event. I would have put them as:

    1. Kwan
    2. Rechnio
    3. Hubert
    4. Gusmeroli
    5. Liashenko
    6. Malinina
    7. Slutskaya
    8. Vorobieva
    9. Kwiatkowski
    10. Szewczenko
    11. Sokolova (watched this again and it honestly even should have gone above Butyrskaya since the technical mark is the tiebreaker in the SP)
    12. Butyrskaya
    13. Lavrenchuk

    Quote Originally Posted by mrrice View Post
    Going back to 1998 you need to remember that Maria was reigning National and European Champion. She finished just off the podium in Nagano placing 4th. Had she not had the freak fall in her LP, I would have had her finishing in 2nd ahead of Slutskaya. This was also the debut of her short hair....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq3nY97PwPY
    I see you've entirely avoided talking about her actual Short Program here LOL! She totally missed the jump combo and both of her other jumps were shaky. There's really no way to hold her up after that. The new hair styling was a success though, much better look than the slicked back ponytail she had.

    The replay on her Lutz is really funny/scary, she tries to go on such a deep outside edge that she goes off the blade entirely and it's just the boot on the ice - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsuDuiyNm08&t=4m14s

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravy View Post
    Interesting. I had no idea that back then if 3 skaters were at Worlds, they had to add up to 21 or less to keep 3 spots. I like this better than the rule now where the third skater doesn't factor in at all which is just stupid.
    Would I be wrong to assume the US Fed lobbied to change this rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    Would I be wrong to assume the US Fed lobbied to change this rule
    I think they did. And also Russia: Alexei Urmanov won the SP at 1997 Worlds and then withdrew, so his "placement" added 18(?) points to the Russian men's total combined with 3 + 5 for Yagudin and Kulik, and thus there were only 2 spots available for Russian men at 1998 Olympics and Worlds.

    IIRC after 1998 there were three changes: Withdrawals don't count toward the total, only the top 2 placements count for a 3-entry team, and some of the point totals became more lenient.

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    When did the ISU adopt the one-by-one system replacing the majority system? If I recall correctly, the 1997 Euros Mens event helped inspire that change with ordinals being all over the place resulting in lots of flip-flops after a competitor finished.

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