2018 Olympic Season: Men's Figure Skating

I think Hanyu should take it real slowly now and in no way endanger his ankle for a further injury. There is enough time for him to be in totally perfect fighting condition at the time of the Olympics. It is the Olympics which is important, not competing at the Japanese Nationals although he probably wants to do it and I can understand his reasons for that. Anyway, it´s time for him to be smart and to do what´s best for his health.

Hanyu is the reigning Olympic and World champion, he does not need to be the reigning Japanese champion for his reputation.

Sergei for an OG medal!!:agree:

I think it is pointless to speculate about Hanyu's injury since we really don't know much. He and his team will decide when the time comes whether it is okay for him to compete at Nationals or not. Injuries happen and as many have pointed out he has a history of them so I would think they know by now how to handle this. Also, they are aware that he does not need to participate in Nationals to be selected to the Olympic team so he does not have to push himself to compete if he is not completely healed.

This season is quite strange to be honest especially for the men. Everything I thought I knew and could rely on to make predictions is falling apart and I decided not to try and think farther than tomorrow

I really have no idea how the Olympics will play out or even who will be going but I have to say that it does make things a bit more interesting. I just hope that if we are going to be getting any more surprises that they are not injuries ,illnesses or anything harmful to the skaters

Let's get back on topic...which is all the Men's discipline in general- going into the Olympics.
The Nationals of US, Russia and Canada have a far more interesting race going on than Japan, whose men's team is less up for grabs.
How are the top skaters in these countries gearing up? NHK has overturned some of the projections of who may be a front runner for the Olympic spots.
Voronov performing very well, and Jason performing relatively poorly, Adam also performed very well.
How much will these GP wins or losses affect the selection for the team? Will it still depend mostly on their Nationals performance?

I want Lord Samarin to make the team. Ucle Voronov is all good but for me Samarin is the Future

Aliev and Erokhov are the future I want to see, not Kovtun 2.0.

silverfoxes said:

Aliev and Erokhov are the future I want to see, not Kovtun 2.0.

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C'mon, comparing slow Kovtun and the Lord is completely wrong. Erokhov has nice jumps and fine loaded programs with transitions, but he lacks of presentation and musicality, absolutely bland skating. Dima has beautiful skating skills but he was never a consistent skater. In the last competitions I noticed you were explaining Dima's fails because he was injured, but what about two previous seasons? Always up and down, can't show stability in the FS.

For Russia Kolyada is a good choice, because of his technique and spins. Look at horrible and ugly spins of Dima, Lord and Erokhov and compare them with spins of Kolyada or Chen.

And overall, I would say it's actually Dima is the second Kovtun. They're different: Kovtun has gorgeous quads, Dima has amazing skating skills. But both of them can't skate clean free programs, and both are very slow and almost dead at the end.
So Lord Samarin vs. Grandpa Voronov for the second spot!

On the side of the US: Assuming Nathan basically has his spot on the team, the race for the other two is intense so far. Jason had a very good result at SC but then was beaten by Adam at NHK, and there's also Max who won a bronze (and the FS) at COC. Is there any possible scenario in which 4 American men could make the GPF? :eeking:
And while Vincent won't make the Final, he still is the reigning National silver medalist AND he has the quads so we can't count him out yet. I think the results at the GPF will make an impact and some good performances could give a skater momentum going into Nationals.

xibsuarz said:

On the side of the US: Assuming Nathan basically has his spot on the team, the race for the other two is intense so far. Jason had a very good result at SC but then was beaten by Adam at NHK, and there's also Max who won a bronze (and the FS) at COC. Is there any possible scenario in which 4 American men could make the GPF? :eeking:
And while Vincent won't make the Final, he still is the reigning National silver medalist AND he has the quads so we can't count him out yet. I think the results at the GPF will make an impact and some good performances could give a skater momentum going into Nationals.

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Four U.S. men in the GPF? Something like this would have to happen

TEB:
Shoma
Max
Javier

SkAm
Nathan
Adam
Maxim Kovtun (or any man not named Boyang or Sergei)
Takahito Mura (same as above)
Boyang
Sergei

Then you have
Shoma - 30 (1st/1st)
Nathan- 30 (1st/1st)
Mikhail - 26 (1st/3rd)
Adam - 26 (2nd/2nd)
Max - 24 (3rd/2nd)
Jason -22 (2nd/4th)
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Sergei 20 (1st/6th)
Boyang 20 (2nd/5th)

Yeah, it's pretty unlikely. But strange things have been happening in this GP series, so who knows... I really don't expect it.

I think it will end up being Shoma, Nathan, Mikhail, Sergei, Adam, Boyang

nekun said:

but for me Samarin is the Future

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he will go to the OGs
in the future :yay:

xibsuarz said:

And while Vincent won't make the Final, he still is the reigning National silver medalist AND he has the quads so we can't count him out yet.

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I'm pretty sure Vincent still has a slight chance of making the final if he can place at least 2nd in France. It would depend on his score and how the other men do.

Sugarpova said:

he will go to the OGs
in the future :yay:

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yeah... i agree... i don't think he is ready. Impressive jumps though

sheetz said:

I'm pretty sure Vincent still has a slight chance of making the final if he can place at least 2nd in France. It would depend on his score and how the other men do.

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He could. It's a longshot and more complicated--as of now--for Vincent than it was for Nathan to do last season. (Nathan was likewise 4th at his first event and then finished 2nd at NHK last season in order to make the GPF). But we have two events left & don't know how the chips will fall.

Vincent left at least 15 points on the table at Cup of China.

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And while Vincent won't make the Final, he still is the reigning National silver medalist AND he has the quads

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Are we really counting them when they're chronically under-rotated?

The only two top US men who are actually rotating their quads are Nathan and Max.

karne said:

Are we really counting them when they're chronically under-rotated?

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They have to be called first. The question is, will they be, at US Nats? It may make all the difference.

Yatagarasu said:

They have to be called first. The question is, will they be, at US Nats? It may make all the difference.

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It could make all the difference at U.S. Nationals, but then again it might not make any difference at all. At the Cup of China free skate Vincent got two UR calls and essentially had two falls. He still scored 100 in TES.

Wow, only 2 men are guaranteed for the Final! Kolyada and Shoma. It all comes down to SA next week!!!!!!!

2017-2018

319.84 ： Shoma UNO 10th Lombardia Trophy 2017
301.10 ： Shoma UNO ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International

293.79 ： Nathan CHEN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
290.77 ： Yuzuru HANYU ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017

283.71 ： Javier FERNANDEZ ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017

279.38 ： Mikhail KOLYADA ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017
279.07 ： Javier FERNANDEZ 2017 Autumn Classic International
275.88 ： Nathan CHEN ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America
275.04 ： Nathan CHEN 2017 US International Figure Skating Classic
273.32 ： Shoma UNO ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017
271.12 ： Sergei VORONOV ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
271.06 ： Mikhail KOLYADA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017

268.24 ： Yuzuru HANYU 2017 Autumn Classic International
266.45 ： Adam RIPPON ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America
264.48 ： Boyang JIN ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017
261.99 ： Adam RIPPON ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
261.56 ： Max AARON 2017 US International Figure Skating Classic
261.14 ： Jason BROWN ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International

259.88 ： Jason BROWN 10th Lombardia Trophy 2017
259.69 ： Max AARON ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017
259.67 ： Han YAN 22nd INTERNATIONNAL CUP OF NICE 2017
258.34 ： Misha GE ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017
257.49 ： Sergei VORONOV ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America
256.66 ： Vincent ZHOU ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017
255.33 ： Misha GE ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
254.61 ： Han YAN ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017
253.13 ： Alexander SAMARIN ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017
253.06 ： Jorik HENDRICKX ISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 2017
253.06 ： Javier FERNANDEZ ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017
252.60 ： Boyang JIN Finlandia Trophy Espoo 2017
252.07 ： Alexei BYCHENKO ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
250.26 ： Moris KVITELASHVILI ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
250.06 ： Alexander SAMARIN ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International
250.01 ： Vincent ZHOU Finlandia Trophy Espoo 2017

249.88 ： Adam RIPPON Finlandia Trophy Espoo 2017
248.50 ： Mikhail KOLYADA Finlandia Trophy Espoo 2017
248.30 ： Keegan MESSING 2017 Autumn Classic International
248.29 ： Liam FIRUS 2017 US International Figure Skating Classic
247.81 ： Mikhail KOLYADA 25th Ondrej Nepela Trophy
247.44 ： Alexei BYCHENKO ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017
247.17 ： Keiji TANAKA ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017
246.19 ： Misha GE 2017 Autumn Classic International
246.03 ： Boyang JIN ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America
245.95 ： Jason BROWN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
245.70 ： Patrick CHAN ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International
245.21 ： Nam NGUYEN 2017 Autumn Classic International
240.50 ： Moris KVITELASHVILI ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017

239.61 ： Dmitri ALIEV ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
238.45 ： Nam NGUYEN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
237.31 ： Jorik HENDRICKX ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International
237.20 ： Max AARON ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017
237.04 ： Michal BREZINA ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International
236.65 ： Jorik HENDRICKX 22nd INTERNATIONNAL CUP OF NICE 2017
235.80 ： Keegan MESSING ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
235.10 ： Dmitri ALIEV Tallinn Trophy 2017
234.80 ： Deniss VASILJEVS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
234.07 ： Sergei VORONOV 25th Ondrej Nepela Trophy
233.72 ： Ross MINER Finlandia Trophy Espoo 2017
233.28 ： Michal BREZINA Finlandia Trophy Espoo 2017
233.16 ： Yaroslav PANIOT 2017 US International Figure Skating Classic
233.05 ： Brendan KERRY 10th Lombardia Trophy 2017
231.93 ： Kazuki TOMONO ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017

229.43 ： Nicolas NADEAU ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International
228.91 ： Deniss VASILJEVS 10th Lombardia Trophy 2017
228.57 ： Denis TEN ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017
228.33 ： Han YAN ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America
227.53 ： Deniss VASILJEVS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
227.02 ： Matteo RIZZO 10th Lombardia Trophy 2017
226.50 ： Kevin REYNOLDS ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017
226.04 ： Alexander JOHNSON ISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 2017
225.30 ： Kazuki TOMONO 2017 US International Figure Skating Classic
225.04 ： Alexander MAJOROV ISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 2017
223.45 ： Dmitri ALIEV ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
223.44 ： Peter LIEBERS 22nd INTERNATIONNAL CUP OF NICE 2017
223.27 ： Matteo RIZZO ISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 2017
222.89 ： June Hyoung LEE ISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 2017
222.39 ： Alexei KRASNOZHON Tallinn Trophy 2017
222.21 ： Vincent ZHOU ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017
221.23 ： Yaroslav PANIOT Tallinn Trophy 2017
221.21 ： Brendan KERRY 25th Ondrej Nepela Trophy
220.67 ： Julian Zhi Jie YEE ISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 2017
220.45 ： Michal BREZINA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
220.43 ： Kevin AYMOZ ISU GP Internationaux de France de Patinage 2017
220.08 ： Keiji TANAKA 2017 Asian Open Figure Skating Trophy

219.96 ： Ross MINER 2017 Autumn Classic International
219.62 ： Ross MINER ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America
218.78 ： Alexander MAJOROV 10th Lombardia Trophy 2017
217.75 ： Keegan MESSING ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International
217.52 ： Grant HOCHSTEIN 25th Ondrej Nepela Trophy
216.44 ： Grant HOCHSTEIN ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017
215.79 ： Romain PONSART 22nd INTERNATIONNAL CUP OF NICE 2017
214.94 ： Timothy DOLENSKY 2017 US International Figure Skating Classic
214.51 ： Denis TEN 22nd INTERNATIONNAL CUP OF NICE 2017
214.51 ： Nam NGUYEN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
214.35 ： Denis TEN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
213.67 ： Alexander SAMARIN 25th Ondrej Nepela Trophy
212.77 ： Takahito MURA ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America
212.71 ： He ZHANG 22nd INTERNATIONNAL CUP OF NICE 2017
212.16 ： Paul FENTZ Finlandia Trophy Espoo 2017
212.14 ： Andrei LAZUKIN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
210.83 ： Liam FIRUS ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America
210.66 ： Andrei LAZUKIN Finlandia Trophy Espoo 2017
210.32 ： Jun Hwan CHA ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International
210.28 ： Peter LIEBERS Tallinn Trophy 2017

208.97 ： Phillip HARRIS 22nd INTERNATIONNAL CUP OF NICE 2017
208.76 ： Yaroslav PANIOT ISU CS Nebelhorn Trophy 2017
208.65 ： Alexander PETROV 10th Lombardia Trophy 2017
207.89 ： Peter LIEBERS 2017 Autumn Classic International
207.86 ： Ryuju HINO 2017 Asian Open Figure Skating Trophy
206.09 ： Grant HOCHSTEIN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
205.97 ： Nicolas NADEAU 25th Ondrej Nepela Trophy
205.38 ： Takahito MURA 2017 US International Figure Skating Classic
204.46 ： Sean RABBITT 2017 US International Figure Skating Classic
204.05 ： Kevin REYNOLDS ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America
203.69 ： Chafik BESSEGHIER 25th Ondrej Nepela Trophy
202.62 ： Julian Zhi Jie YEE Tallinn Trophy 2017
201.60 ： Paul FENTZ ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International
201.56 ： Brendan KERRY ISU GP 2017 Skate Canada International
201.29 ： Maurizio ZANDRON Tallinn Trophy 2017
200.59 ： Daisuke MURAKAMI 2017 Autumn Classic International
200.10 ： Roman SADOVSKY ISU GP 2017 Bridgestone Skate America

2017-2018 Season score average

298.09 ： Shoma UNO

281.57 ： Nathan CHEN

279.51 ： Yuzuru HANYU
271.95 ： Javier FERNANDEZ

261.69 ： Mikhail KOLYADA

259.44 ： Adam RIPPON
255.66 ： Jason BROWN
254.37 ： Boyang JIN
254.23 ： Sergei VORONOV
253.29 ： Misha GE
252.82 ： Max AARON

249.76 ： Alexei BYCHENKO
247.54 ： Han YAN
245.70 ： Patrick CHAN
245.38 ： Moris KVITELASHVILI
242.96 ： Vincent ZHOU
242.34 ： Jorik HENDRICKX

238.95 ： Alexander SAMARIN
233.95 ： Keegan MESSING
232.72 ： Nam NGUYEN
232.72 ： Dmitri ALIEV
230.41 ： Deniss VASILJEVS

229.56 ： Liam FIRUS
228.62 ： Kazuki TOMONO
225.15 ： Matteo RIZZO
224.43 ： Ross MINER
222.39 ： Alexei KRASNOZHON
222.21 ： Brendan KERRY
222.18 ： Keiji TANAKA
221.18 ： Michal BREZINA
221.05 ： Yaroslav PANIOT
220.43 ： Kevin AYMOZ

219.14 ： Denis TEN
217.70 ： Nicolas NADEAU
214.94 ： Timothy DOLENSKY
213.87 ： Peter LIEBERS
213.35 ： Grant HOCHSTEIN
211.65 ： Julian Zhi Jie YEE
210.32 ： Jun Hwan CHA

209.95 ： Alexander MAJOROV
207.41 ： Andrei LAZUKIN
206.96 ： Romain PONSART
206.88 ： Paul FENTZ
205.64 ： Kevin REYNOLDS
204.46 ： Sean RABBITT
203.69 ： Chafik BESSEGHIER
201.60 ： Takahito MURA
200.59 ： Daisuke MURAKAMI

What about Alexei krasnozhon?