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Kitty Kelley, Do Any Of You Read Her Stuff?

skatepixie

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If you want to talk about abortion or "the far right" or anything of that nature, start another thread.

"you accused anyone who didn't agree with Bush of being a sheep when it came to criticism of him."

Wait. No I didnt. I said that it appears (to me at least) that some people will believe things just because it bashes Bush. I didnt say that all democrats do this. Personally, I dont think Kelley-esque material should be an issue in an election, esp when it comes from a source that is so untrustworthy. As I said, I wouldnt care if Kitty were doing this with Clinton. I would still think it was dead wrong.

"I don't get why this seems so outlandish to you. Consider that the royal marriages are arranged even though QEII was supposedly very much in love with Prince Phillip. The women were virgins and the men were known philanderers. Their job was simply to produce an heir. Divorce was not an option Taking all of that into consideration artificial insemination to assure continuing the line doesn't seem strange at all.. Bulb syringes which are commonly used for varous medical procedures have been around for ages. A turkey baster is a bulb syringe except sells for much less."

It seems a little odd because, as of 1925/26, The Duke of York (later George VI) wasnt the heir. No one even thought that there was the remote possibility of him becoming the king. Everyone thought that the Prince of Whales (later Edward VIII) was going to get married and have childern. The idea of going to drastic measures to insure that the Duchess of York would produce an heir seems more than a little out there. Also, by all accounts, they were never on bad terms. Certainly, they were never on terms bad enough that it would be deamed needed for them to do to these legnths to produce an heir, esp when they were not direct heirs to the throne themselves.

"hold your lack of experience against you"

The real quote is "I will not make age an issue of this campain. I will not take advantage of my opponants youth and inexperence." This was in reply to being asked by Mondale if he would be able to fufill the dutys of the presidency due to age. So, basically, you took that way out of context.
 
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Piel

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The real quote is "I will not make age an issue of this campain. I will not take advantage of my opponants youth and inexperence." This was in reply to being asked by Mondale if he would be able to fufill the dutys of the presidency due to age. So, basically, you took that way out of context.
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No, what Reagan said here is ewxactly what I mean. I believe that your youth and inexeperience keeps you from understanding how frightening what Bush and the far right are doing to this country. Your reality is not most people's reality.

As to the Duke and Duchess of York and how ERII was conceived. Now that you know that it WAS possible to perform artificial insemination at that time. We are talking about times before viagra, fertility drugs, and before leaks to the public of unflattering things about the royal famuily were as common as they are today. So if members of the royal family had needed help conceiving it would probably not been made known to the public at that time. Nothing shameful there, lots of couples go this route all of the time. And if anyone would have had access to the way to do this it would have been the royal family.

As far as needing an heir. To assure continuing the line it has always been important for siblings of the next in line (here those of the Prince of Wales) to produce an heir and a spare just in case. True the Duke and Duchess of York were not anxious to take the throne. Bertie was known to have a very bad stuttering problem . King George and Queen Mary were very distant parents. These boys were abused by their nanny and humiliated by their father. That they were fairly dysfunctional adults is not surprising. But if you read any biographies on the Prince of Wales you will find that it was very doubtful that he would ever produce an heir. He failed to develop secondary sex characteristics after having mumps. Npw, if you want to talk about kinky relationships Edward ( she called him David)and Wallis are your couple. :D

Kelletesque material will always get thrown around during a political campaign if either party thinks it will give them even a hint of an advantage.

Personally I'd vote for Bill Clinton again in a a heartbeat. All he did was have a little unsex and decide it was no one elses business (it wasn't). Maybe if they change the laws so Arnold can run they can also change it to allow Clinton to run again too. :love: If not Bill there is always Hillary.......or Chelsea? :D :D :D
 
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I think what the present administration is trying to do now (source: Sunday political shows) is to try their best to get out of Iraq. Since there was never any planning on what to do after the invasion except to think that the shiites would become the main event and believe that American democracy was the way to go. Just another miscalculation like weapons of mass destruction. More than 1000 GIs dead because of a threat that didn't exist. I feel no safer now than I did after 9/11 with Sadaam out. The President's actions have caused an increase in al-quaeda recruitment, and that makes me feel more unsafe.

Getting back to my point.... The cost of maintaining the war runs in the billiions and rising every day. How can the President give back tax money when he put the nation into so much debt? He'll just cut whatever social services there are!

I am not so sure how Haliburton is doing in Iraq which I believe was the main purpose to invade the country. I think it will shut down when the Americans leave and that will proclaim the Americans lost the war in Iraq.

I hate being pessimistic about America but that's what I see in the future because of a bumbling miscalculating present leader. I might add, if his opponent wins the election, I doubt he alone can bring America back into the International community. It will take many decades to get America back to where it was pre-Bush.

Joe
 

Piel

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Well stated Joe! Add to that assault weapons are now back on the street :eek: :eek: :eek: . Lets see....Bush invades Iraq to hunt for WMD that he doesn't find. And now he puts assault weapons back on American streets. Something's not right! Just how much money has the NRA given the Republican party?
 

Ladskater

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No. She was popular though when I started working at Coles Book store way back when. I think she wrote an unofficial biography about Frank Sinatra. Lots of people read her books. Not me.
 
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Ravyn Rant

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Joesitz said:
I'll read Kelly's book. I won't buy it.

Joe

Let us pause for a moment to express our gratitude for the Free Public Library, shall we? I've already placed my hold.
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merrywidow

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I've never read anything by Kelley but a few nights ago I listened in to a discussion of her books by a group of writers for news magazines (I think one of the people was from Time). One person mentioned that she has never been sued nor has she ever had to retract anything she has written. Another reporter said that if you were a young investigative reporter you should read her books as she touches on many subjects/scandals but doesn't necessarily go into them in depth. It would be a good starting point for a young reporter trying to break into the business. Someone else said she has sources & contacts all over the world. Noone stated that they believed or disbelieved her but I got the impression that they felt there is at least a grain of truth in everything she writes.
 

Lucy25

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I haven't read any of the posts in this thread, but I have a good answer for myself. I saw Ms. Kelly admit in many interviews that much of her "information" on the Bushes is second and third-hand information that can not be collaborated (or proved). This information alone is enough for me to know that her book would not be worth my time.
 

katherine2001

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Personally, I wouldn't mind reading Kitty Kelly's book on Bush. I think she can dig up lots of dirt between President Bush and his father--there's plenty of dirt there on both of them. I think President GW Bush is just like his daddy.

Personally, I hope that one day there will be a candidate who is pro-life across the board--anti-abortion, anti-capital punishment, and anti-war. If you're going to be pro-life, be so across the board. As someone else said, how many pregnant women and their unborn children died as a result of our bombing of Iraq. Unfortunately, our bombs don't have the ability to avoid pregnant women and children (both unborn and born). As has already been stated, DNA testing is showing more and more people in prison (and on death row) to be innocent. If the death penalty had been carried out, innocent people would have died for something they didn't do. The fact is that it is not at all uncommon for law enforcement to have a one-track mind as to who they think committed the crime and then not looking at other possibilities. Also, race and social factors can play an important part in who is given the death penalty.

I don't fit into either political party. I am pro-life across the board, and both parties only accept part of that. The Republicans are anti-abortion, but tend to be strongly pro capital punishment and pro war. The Democrats tend to do the opposite. We all pretty much know what the Republican stand is on the environment and social programs for the less fortunate. Too often, they seem much more concerned with helping the wealthy than they do the middle and lower class people. The wealthy are getting way more out of the tax breaks than the middle and lower class people. It will be the middle and lower class who will be paying for this war and paying off the debt that has gotten out of control since the wealthy got their tax breaks.
 

Dee4707

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I have now seen one interview with Ms. Kelley on CNN or MSNBC and the other C-Span where the audience was there to ask questions. At first I didn't think the book was any better than a tabloid magazine but after watching her and the information that she presents, I wouldn't mind reading the book.

This is the first presidential election that has me terrified. I have watched both the democrat and the republican conventions. I want to vote the best choice even if it means going against my party. The place where I work is strong republican and won't even bother to listen to the other side. I don't understand that.

Dee
 
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