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    Question What "cheats" will you be looking for this season?

    What seems to be a problem with some skaters? Here are some examples that have been battered around in this forum:

    Shizuka - the last part of her triple combo is cheated.
    Plushenko - similarly that last jump in the triple combo.
    Weir - travelling spins.
    Yukina - underrotated jumps.
    Michael - the quad lutz.

    I wll be looking for the above this season. I'm not sure these are constant errors (maybe Michael).

    Are there others with errors you will be looking for?

    Joe

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    I'm not sure using my skating viewing time looking for alleged 'cheats' is the best use of said time. I just like to watch the skating and enjoy the spectacle of it all. Sure, I know quite a bit about skating and used to compete up through the novice level in pairs. Yup, I know an error or cheat when I see one. But for me to actively look for one? Nope. It's too much of a cool sport to watch it just to analyze it to death trying to see all the wrong in it. That's JMO though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinner
    I'm not sure using my skating viewing time looking for alleged 'cheats' is the best use of said time. I just like to watch the skating and enjoy the spectacle of it all. Sure, I know quite a bit about skating and used to compete up through the novice level in pairs. Yup, I know an error or cheat when I see one. But for me to actively look for one? Nope. It's too much of a cool sport to watch it just to analyze it to death trying to see all the wrong in it. That's JMO though.
    Spinner - I agree with you. Let's just enjoy the skate! But many posters will point out errors in discussions. In order for me to see if the pointers are correct, I will look to see if a skater does make this mistake and whether the skater makes it often. I've always been a defender of Sarah and her so-called 'underrotated' jumps. I have seen one or two but not every jump and not always the same one. Not unlike other skaters.

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    What "cheats" will you be looking for this season?

    Cheating judges!

    Dizzy

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    Funny that Weir has been pointed out for traveling spins. There are lots of other skaters who travel a lot worse than Weir, and don't have nearly as many interesting change of positions as Weir does.

    I think Weir's spins are better than Plushy's, whose spins are his weakest area.

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    I'm curious to see how popular the flutz will be this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinner
    I'm not sure using my skating viewing time looking for alleged 'cheats' is the best use of said time. I just like to watch the skating and enjoy the spectacle of it all. Sure, I know quite a bit about skating and used to compete up through the novice level in pairs. Yup, I know an error or cheat when I see one. But for me to actively look for one? Nope. It's too much of a cool sport to watch it just to analyze it to death trying to see all the wrong in it. That's JMO though.
    ITA. Obviously when talking about performances and discussing results, errors and mistakes on both parts (skaters and judges) are expected to be commented on. But sometimes I think there is too much negativity in message boards. Endless and silly gushing is annoying, but too much negativity is rather frustrating to read. Maybe the idea is to compensate each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe
    Funny that Weir has been pointed out for traveling spins. There are lots of other skaters who travel a lot worse than Weir, and don't have nearly as many interesting change of positions as Weir does.

    I think Weir's spins are better than Plushy's, whose spins are his weakest area.
    This came from a misunderstanding of part of my post on Button. I pointed out the one instance where Weir traveled -- on the final headless scratch skin -- in his Dortmund LP, and used it as an example of something that should have been pointed out, if the same was pointed out on Lambiel's execution of the same spin in the same competition. I didn't mean that I think Weir has a tendency to travel. On the whole, Weir's spins are beautifully centered.

    I was surprised at how many of the spins in the Men's competition at Dortmund were centered, down to the lowest ranked competitors. The Men's centering was, on the whole, better than the Ladies'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerkid
    I'm curious to see how popular the flutz will be this year.
    Me, too. Now that I know (thanks to GS) a little bit about why a true Lutz is so hard and how few ladies, especially Americans, can actually do it, it will be fun to watch for it this year.
    Endless and silly gushing is annoying,... -- RISkatingfan
    Uh oh. With Michelle about to debut Bolero at Campbell's tomorrow night, I'm getting all geared up to be annoying!

    Mathman

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    Larry, are you going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Uh oh. With Michelle about to debut Bolero at Campbell's tomorrow night, I'm getting all geared up to be annoying!

    Mathman
    Should I stay away from your posts then?

    I'll be hoping Michelle does well: that way, the gushing will be acceptable :D What do you say? LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerkid
    I'm curious to see how popular the flutz will be this year.
    Read in a thread at FSU, according to a US judge who gave a talk at a CoP seminar that, 'flatz' is OK. but not flutz.

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    For you skating purists out there, this is strictly nitpicking....Axels...I always try to look and see if the person "skidded" into the edge, or if the edge was clean. In my opinion the skater has to "work" so much harder through the jump if they have slid into the edge rather than if they have lifted into the air off a clean edge. To me that is the bar of a well executed axel. I think that is what made the 3X of Kulik, Gallindo, Eldredge (along with a host of other skaters who execute edge jumps well) and also the primo 2X of the ladies (Yuka's floating axle, ahhhhh) such a thing of joy.

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    I think we are near the point of the "flutz" becoming it's own jump. SIGHHHHHHH


    Kasey

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    It already is. It just happens to be called a flip :D

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