Also in the Olympics there is no QR for men or ladies singles.
The "qualifying round" for the Olympics is the previous year's Worlds plus a designated fall international to determine which countries get to participate in the men's and/or ladies' events, which are limited to 30 skaters per discipline before the Olympics even begins, and which have to stay home.
There isn't a qualifying round in dance. There's a compulsory dance or two, which is not the same thing at all as skating the free program another time, more comparable to the school figures. The CD competition is only broken down into two separate groups with separate panels if there are TOO MANY skaters for one panel to judge in one sitting.There is a talk of eliminating the QR in ice dance.
This happens a lot less often with dance than with singles. But in both cases, the logic behind dividing the groups before making the first cut is to keep the size of the field manageable.
Even if there are 45 skaters in the field at Worlds or 50 at Junior Worlds? (BTW, what's your opinion on qualifying rounds at Junior Worlds, which tends to be even larger than Worlds? Euros is smaller, and qual rounds have now been eliminated there.)So it does not make sense to have a QR in the world championships. IMO all the skaters that qualify should be allowed to skate the SP. The top 24 can make it into the LP.
Options for having that many skaters all skate the short program would be:
1) Divide into two groups along similar lines to the current division for qual rounds, and take the top 12 skaters from each group.
2) Divide into two groups and take the top 24 scorers no matter which group they happened to skate in.
3) Put them all in one group and have one panel of judges sit and pay attention for 5 hours straight except for resurfaces.
4) Put them all in one group and rotate the judges in and out to give them breaks, equivalent to randomly choosing different judges' scores to count for each skater, only when they're not being counted they don't have to sit and pay attention at all.
Obviously under an ordinal system 2) and 4) would make no sense at all, but under Code of Points they could be feasible.
Tell it to the juvenile girls at the larger US regionals.It seems particularly ridiculous to make the skaters skate the same LP twice.
Juveniles don't skate short programs. When there are more than 72 skaters in an event, there are three rounds with cuts after each round to get the field down to one group for the final.
Therefore, the skaters who make the cut have to skate the same free program three times to try to qualify for Junior Nationals.
If you're using the LP to make the cut in the first place, it's not a consolation for having already failed to advance, it's an *opportunity* to try to advance.OTOH one may argue that it gives all the skaters skate the LP they have worked on. It is a nice consolation, but is it worth the effort?
You can't predict for sure before the competition takes place who's going to make it and who won't, out of the large number of skaters who are always in the lower middle of a field of that nature, those who are usually well inside the middle or even occasionally contend for medals on good days but might be having an extremely bad day due to injury etc., and those who rarely or never beat any of the skaters in the other two categories but have improved a lot over the year and are ready for a breakthrough. The only way to find out which ones will earn the right to advance this year is to have them compete against each other. Doing it with a program that lets them show their best skills, at the competition venue so it doesn't involve possibly traveling to a third continent than where home is and Worlds is being held, seems the most efficient solution.
It's certainly possible to exempt some skaters from having to qualify, as was done in the mid-90s (I'd rather see a fairer way of doing this than using last year's results at one competition) and not carrying over the qualifying results to the final round.I would venture to guess that the not so great skaters like that opportunity but for those expected to make it to the top it is nothing more than a practice round. Unfortunately the final results may depend on the QR, as it did for Suguri last year.
Nope.The SP has all the required elements, which should make it easy to give points and determine who goes to the next round.
Supppose that a skater's biggest strengths are jump sequences or combinations of three jumps; incorporating inside axels, split flips, and other 1- and 1.5-revolution jumps within their step sequences or transitions; and/or level-3 spins that rely on multiple changes of foot or flying entries along with changes of foot. None of these elements are allowed within the short program rules, so this skater would not get the opportunity to show what she or he does best in a short program context.
Suppose they're really excellent at the easier triples and shaky on the harder ones. Whether they decide to take the safer route with the lower base mark or to risk falling on the same jumps everyone else is doing, they're already at a disadvantage compared to skaters who happen to be more consistent with the big-ticket jumps but with lower quality or lower consistency in general.
Also, good skaters who might otherwise be medal contenders can screw themselves out of contention, or even out of advancing to the final, with two mistakes in a short program, whereas a long program with two mistakes could still be considered pretty darn good. Not that qual rounds would help these skaters if they don't count toward the final results, but this does prove that short programs are a lot less forgiving.