I just think it is important for us to remember that this comment came from Piseev, not "the Russians" in general. On other boards, I have read nasty posts like "The Russians are alwawys complaining and whining when they don't win" etc.... this came from one single Russian individual, and we don't even know whether this represents the opinion of the other Russian skating officials, let alone the skaters.
Nadya, Out of curiosity, how do the Russian skating fans regard Piseev. (for example, at this point, a lot of US fans are not too thrilled with Phyllis Howard, and a lot of fans at Worlds were booing Cinquanta.) Is he popular in Russia?
How do the skaters regard him?
dpp
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Put {Piseev} with Didier and Speedy and it sure looks like the three stooges. [/quote]
ROFL!!!
I love the poetic justice being served on this one. After all the grumbling the RSF and others have done about how North American skaters scream 'wuzrobbed" and the EVILLE Sekret Komputer, when it happens to them, they're crying like this is the first time this has ever happened. Oh, the horror!!!
I guess sweeping the golds at CoR (plus all the silver and bronzes won there) and the medals at the GPF, plus the five at Worlds aren't enough. I don't seem to recall anyone screaming full force about Sasha taking the silver at CoR thanks to the Sekret Komputer (her marks overall were higher than Vika's), but then again, I forgot that the rules are supposed to be different for Piseev and company. For once, I was relatively satisfied with the results (P&T taking the bronze being the one exception. That was a MAJOR gift, plain and simple, but then again, thanks to the boneheads at ABC and ESPN, I have no idea how Pang & Tong and O&S skated their FPs to be able to decide if the placements were fair).
It also gets my goat that now the "American" audience apparently has to be politically correct in it's applause. GMAFB.
Question: Due to all the shrouded secrecy in the judging, I've had a hard time determining the nationality of all the judges for each discipline. Is it true that there were no American or Canadian judges for the Men's and Ladies' events? What was the breakdown of judging nationalities for Pairs and Dance? Help!
Sk8cynic - The list of judges are usually found in IceCalc if you press the right buttons. I haven't looked yet myself so I am not sure they are still doing that.
Joe
GMAFB :rollin:
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Nadya, Out of curiosity, how do the Russian skating fans regard Piseev. (for example, at this point, a lot of US fans are not too thrilled with Phyllis Howard, and a lot of fans at Worlds were booing Cinquanta.) Is he popular in Russia?
How do the skaters regard him?[/quote]
To date, I have not read a single Russian article that had even a luke-warm word to say about Piseev. Everything I have heard was negative to the extreme.
Irina Rodnina once said in an article that she doubted if Piseev's own wife even had affection for him.
It's really becoming sick when some people (see the above message) here even mention Piseev's family life to somehow sting him. Grow up!
I also wonder why people here release so much bile talking about Piseev. OK, he said something about the Worlds you didn't like. Isn't he entitled to his own opinions? Why such a violent criticism? By the way, it's not very American to be that violently critical. The violent criticism is, I think, the usual prerogative of steamy and overwhelmed Russians.
Regarding the question about how Piseev is seen by Russian skating fans, you can't really say: noone conducted any polls.
Russian media in general don't like him, but the Russian media is one big mess, and not a very professional and reliable as far as facts are concerned. I know it as a specialist.
As for coaches, judging from the interviews some like him, some not. Tarasova in recent interviews thanked him quite a few times, Linichuk was also favorable of him, Tchaikovskaya used to feud with him for many years, Mishin, if I'm not mistaken, is his friend.
Well, Piseev is a president since the days of the Soviet Union and has been re-elected so many times, so if one has a logic one should conclude that he probably does something right that people still re-elect him after all these years of tirbulations.
Well, the ISU re-elected Speedy..unanimously, and I doubt anyone here likes the way he runs things.
well the ISU has a speedskating majority.....
yeah, but he was chosen unanimously...meaning that the Figure Skating representatives voted for him too.
then the figure skating community wasn't doing a very good job with relation to itself....
everyone is to blame for this scandal....the ISU, the prominent skaters, coaches, judges, everyone....
how is it that skating has survived so long without this coming to a head until now?
well to me it's obvious that a lot more is at stake now than before..... e.g money, endoresements, wide-spread popularity, etc....
it is a shame that such mundane underlying factors would be the straw that broke the camel's back....
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It's really becoming sick when some people (see the above message) here even mention Piseev's family life to somehow sting him. Grow up!
(snip rest of angry post)[/quote]
Hello, Valentin.
Russian Fan, When I started this thread, I was looking for some insight as to why he would say what he did, and especially why his medal count didn't add up (2 vs. 5). I was not disputing his right to say it. And I hope I didn't come off that negative about him. I don't know the man. That's why I asked for info about how he was regarded from people who might actually know him-Russian skaters, Russian fans, Russian media, and Russian officials.
Thanks for the info, and I am sorry if I in any way offended you.
dpp
I haven't talked to a lot of Russians about this, but from what I have heard from fellow skating fans, they don't like him. I've talked to some skaters, and, let me put it that way, they expressed their disagreement with him. One coach once said "It's simple, they [Piseev and the people in the Russian federation who support him] don't like us and we don't like them."
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