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    Exclamation ISU Makes Threat To Member Nations Re. Skaters That Pulled Out of GP



    Lausanne, November 10, 2004



    CIRCULAR LETTER No. 592 Total pages transmitted: 2



    To: ISU Members

    Entries/Withdrawals in ISU Events



    Ladies and Gentlemen,



    The ISU Council is very concerned and disturbed by the recently created

    situation under which certain World top figure skaters are not competing in the

    ISU Events, in particular in the Grand Prix Series. Some have claimed serious

    injuries and others some other reasons, like need of rest and preparation for the

    ISU Championships.



    However, some of these skaters perform at the same time shows and/or

    participate or have announced participation in other international competitions

    during the period when the Grand Prix Series individual events and Final are

    held.



    All ISU Members know well that the ISU has concluded contracts with a

    number of TV companies for the coverage of the Grand Prix Series and Final.

    The ISU feels responsible to present top skaters at these Events. Not fulfilling

    this might result in reduction of the fees received by the ISU from current

    partners and in the future since it jeopardizes the credibility of the ISU and

    worsens the ISU position in negotiating future contracts.



    It was with due regards to all these aspects that the Members organizing the GP

    competitions have made contractual commitments to enter seeded skaters in

    accordance with article 2.1 of the GP Announcement and that the ISU Congress

    some years ago adopted an amendment to rule 125 paragraph 4 and to rule 136

    paragraph 6 of the ISU General Regulations under which :

    “Improper conduct by a skater includes refusal, for other than medical or

    other justifiable reason, to participate in the ISU Events in accordance with

    commitments established by the ISU and Members concerned.” (For

    confirmation of illness or injury see rule 104 paragraph 17).



    Under rule 104 paragraph 17 and also under the explicit article 11 of the GP

    Announcement an injury or illness must be evidenced by a certificate issued by

    a Medical Doctor and confirmed by the respective Member and/or the ISU

    Medical Advisor.



    Of course, in such a case the opinion and advice of the ISU Medical Advisor

    must be followed. If the injury requires, in the opinion of the Medical Advisor a

    rest from competitions and exhibitions (or sometimes even from practice), then

    the skater can not skate in exhibitions or other competitions.



    The ISU Council would like to remind all ISU Members that the obligation to

    give first priority to ISU Events, when entering or authorizing the participation

    of skaters in competitions and/or exhibitions, applies to the seeded skaters of

    both the Grand Prix individual events and the Final. The ISU Council

    therefore urgently asks all ISU Members with seeded skaters in the GP to take

    immediately all available measures in order to be able to comply with their

    commitments and to enter those skaters for the remaining GP Series

    Competitions and Final (if qualified).



    The Council has no other choice than to inform the ISU Members and

    through them the skaters that it will make immediate use of rule 125

    paragraph 4 and open disciplinary proceedings against those skaters who

    violate the ISU rules and file a Disciplinary Complaint with a request that

    the skaters be excluded under rule 125 paragraph 4 from participation in

    ISU Events (incl. Championships), International Competitions, Olympic

    Winter Games and exhibitions for an appropriate period of time.



    ISU Members violating their obligations might face financial penalties under

    article 17 paragraph 1, u) of the ISU Constitution. The Council hopes that all ISU Members and skaters will understand the serious aspects of the situation and will do their utmost to assist the ISU in avoiding inconveniences.



    With kind regards,



    Ottavio Cinquanta Fredi Schmid

    President General Secretary

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    hmmmmm, I wonder if professional skating may be making a comeback?

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    Every time I read this I still get stuck on one fact. Speedy is mad because the top names have dropped out of the GP series making it hard for him to get money. Therefore, he wants to exclude these skaters from skating in even bigger events that would most likely bring in more money than the GP series.

    What brain is this? Where can get a thought process just like this one? I mean this is just super smart. Sign me up right now.


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    Mpal, does the ISU actually get any of the money from the cheesefests and exhibitions? Or does it all go to the skaters?

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    If I can play Speedy's Advocate just for once, I can see the ISU's point. If you are trying to run some kind of a sports season, the players have to show up.

    I think Sk8m8's right. Cinquanta kicks out all the stars, they form their own thing based on the cheesefest model, and it will be like it was in the early 90s. The best skaters in the world (at that time Kristi Y., Brian B., Kurt B.) were the ones competing in the World Pro and events of that sort.

    Nobody bothers to watch the Olympics because no one's there.

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    I see the ISU's point, but by making it into a money issue they once again get no sympathy from me. It's about time some of the skaters told Speedy to get lost.

    This is obviously a snipe at Kwan, Cohen, and Plushenko, with Kwan heading that list. Cohen and Plushenko are injured, while no one knows much about Michelle's back.

    Personally I think that the skaters should have the option to not compete if that is what they want, but they should have to give sufficient notice regarding their withdrawal.

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    I hope skaters who chose not to do the Grand Prix this season won't be penalized. I think it would be wrong never mind stupid for them to stop any of their top stars from competing at major competions because ratings would be worse.

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    Well actually, I think Plushy is the one who finally pushed Speedy over the edge. He said he was opting out of the GP because of injury but has been spending the summer doing shows and competitions.

    Michelle opted out of the GP just as she has done the past two seasons - never caused a problem before. She also gave 3-weeks notice and was replaced by Alisa Crizzy. The Cheesefests are ISU-sanctioned events, so her competing in them shouldn't be an issue.
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    Unfortunately yes. Maybe if Zhenya turned in his doctor's notes to the president saying that he can't fly much due to sinuses?

    LOL reminds me of gym class, when I had to bring notes every time we played gym cause I can't see the ball to play it.

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    I can understand skaters not wanting to burn themselves out training for so many competitions not to mention all the traveling they have to do.

    IMO I think they should do watered down programs with one or two triples and put in double jumps. That way they won't have to do the GPF at least and won't have to train so hard. Most people don't do well when they are forced to do something they don't want to do. Also, pick two countries as Michelle does that are close to their home base. I realize they can't always do that since they have to be invited. Maybe the federations could work more with the seeded skaters in that respect.

    Plushy, Michelle and Sasha have been beating their bodies pretty good for quite a few years now and deserve a rest once in awhile. Look at how many skaters have had to turn pro or stop skating alltogether due to injuries.

    Sasha is injured so they can't do anything to her. If Plushy and Michelle are out of World's, Nationals and Olympics do they honestly think they will have more viewers. I think the ISU better think this through. Are they cutting off their nose to spite their face!!!

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    Wasn't there a quote from the memo that although injured and the skater have provided a note from their personal physician, the designated ISU doctor would still have to approve the doctor's note and injury. What if the ISU doctor is in cohorts with Speedy? Sasha has a doctor's note but I wonder if she was also seen by the ISU doctor?

    What pushed Speedy's buttons is the mess that Plushy got himself in. Threats of litigations and lawsuits from the show that Plushy was suppose to do has become troublesome to the ISU.

    With Michelle, they are putting the blame on her for low ratings and low attendance. She gave atleast 3 weeks in advance notice however the ratings did hurt a bit because she was not competing. Then again, perhaps more casual fans would watch and buy the tickets if they did aggressive promotion and marketed to untapped potential customers/viewers. I didn't even see any commercials about the GP and FS season starting. I have to go online on these kind of boards to find out. Let's face it, casual fans will not go to online boards.

    Why watch a week or two week old program when I can watch it online the same day. Plus no short program in SA. If ISU wants more viewership and tickets sales punishing skaters will not do the job. They need aggressive marketing and a major make over. CoP is so complicated to the casual viewers that some didn't know whether to applaud or boo when the say the scores. Even I find myself

    Punish skaters- the bread winner of this sport. Punish the corrupt judges and ban them for life that's what the Devil Incarnate needs to do. This letter has no merit because GPs was never mandatory that is why its called "invitational"! It's like getting an invitation for a party, if you feel that you don't want to attend then you have the right to RSVP. Now if ISU want to change that this should have been done towards the end of the season or the very beginning of the season and not midseason because there aren't anymore spots if I'm correct.

    Why do Figure Skating have to save the whole entire ISU? Why won't Speedy tell the Speed Skaters to up the ante and contribute more endorsements? Oh I forgot all they do is skate around the rink as fast as they could. But he wants figure skaters to do quads, axels and difficult elements that can result to injuries while forcing them to do grueling competitions for the mighty dollar so he can support HIS sport (Speed skating). Figure skating accounts for 80% of the revenue they bring in for the ISU. The current Executive Council is 6 from SS and 5 from FS. Most money comes from FS and yet SS has the majority of the Exec Council. And supposively, their the ones who are POd. It makes me sick how Figure Skating has become Speedy's wh*re to support his habit which is Speed Skating while ISU continue to be the pimps and pushers.
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    It could be the loss of revenue for the ISU. As we know, the Skate America was not well attended and the reasons could be the absence of the two stars. I'm not sure about skate Canada attendance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    It could be the loss of revenue for the ISU. As we know, the Skate America was not well attended and the reasons could be the absence of the two stars.
    Skate America is *never* well-attended, even when the "stars" are there. (E.g., think fall 1997 when both Kwan and Lipinski were competing -- attendance was still dismal.) The USFSA has never figured out how to market the event to the general public in whatever city hosts it, and hardcore skatefans who might travel to attend skating events often prefer to use their vacation time on US Nationals or Worlds instead, or to attend events in Canada which are always much less expensive than US events.

    In any case, the ISU doesn't make any revenue from ticket sales at Skate America or any of the other Grand Prix events. Their cut of the profits comes strictly from sale of the international TV rights.

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    Michelle doesn't seem to be too worried. She was in town yesterday to promote the Marshalls competition. There's a cute picture in the Detroit Free Press (it does not seem to be available on their web site) of Michelle putting on a clinic for children at the Detroit Skating Club.

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    re. Marshalls

    Mathman:
    Are you attending the Marshall's event? If so, please post lots of details.

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