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    Irina Slutskaya....................

    Is Irina unbeatable this season?
    She has been landing 3/3's in practices. She is determined. She beat the other girls by landing less triples than Vika and Miki. The judges love her. Some are saying she was held up. Held up or not, is she unbeatable?
    How will Sasha fare vs. Irina?Sound like they have similar skates, with Irina having stronger skating skills, better edges, and a 3/3 combo. (or a 3/2/2 combo) What about Michelle? Will the Irina vs. MK rivalry return? Or will Irina leave her in the dust?
    What about Shizuka?
    Will the new focus be Irina, Shizuka, Kwan? And leave Sasha to try that elusive quad?
    Some are saying Irina is the Worlds Winner because it's going to be in Moscow this year, and it is in the bag for her.
    Any thoughts?
    Goooooooo Irina!

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    I hope so. I would really like to see her back on top. She is such a fun skater to watch

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    3/3's or winning or not, I just hope her health is good and she can get back to skating! I've missed her.
    Wishing her luck, and good health!

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    It is so good to have her back and sure gonna make the worlds even more exciting!

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    I'm just glad to see her and Michelle competing for the love of the sport, and not to prove anything to anyone. It's beautiful, to have literally seen them grow up in the last ten years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fossi
    Is Irina unbeatable this season?
    She has been landing 3/3's in practices. She is determined. She beat the other girls by landing less triples than Vika and Miki. The judges love her. Some are saying she was held up. Held up or not, is she unbeatable?
    How will Sasha fare vs. Irina?Sound like they have similar skates, with Irina having stronger skating skills, better edges, and a 3/3 combo. (or a 3/2/2 combo) What about Michelle? Will the Irina vs. MK rivalry return? Or will Irina leave her in the dust?
    What about Shizuka?
    Will the new focus be Irina, Shizuka, Kwan? And leave Sasha to try that elusive quad?
    Some are saying Irina is the Worlds Winner because it's going to be in Moscow this year, and it is in the bag for her.
    Any thoughts?
    Goooooooo Irina!
    I love Irina, but I don't think she is unbeatable. Nobody is. She is coming off a couple of difficult years and whatever she does counts as victory in my mind. It is great to see her back and even better if she can compete for the gold.

    Vash

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    I loved it when Michelle and Irina had their rivlary. What a great one it was! They had respect for each other, which I appreciated and pushed each other in the process.
    I wouldn't count her out but I have the feeling that since Worlds is going to be in Moscow, that she's going to be held up; I'd rather to see her awarded for her merit instead but we shall see.

    As for the competition overall, I'd have to say that it's between Michelle and Shiz mostly with Irina in the mix. Sasha of course might figure in there but given her inconsistent record, I'd say most likely not. In fact, with Shiz, I think it's going to be more of a rivalry between her and Michelle and I'm really looking forward to that.

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    Irina is the hometown favorite. That's a given. Vikka and Elena will get more than polite applause but the roar of the crowd will be Irina. Irina is more than a Russian favorite. She is a European favorite. The fans in Eurlope love her. There is no doubt that if the random drawing of judges comes up with five or more of the many republics in eastern europe who trained under the old soviet system will be partial to her. For me, it's unfair, but understandable. A person retains much of what they believed in when learning a job. As new generations come about, this sort of thing will disappear.

    However, Irina must skate her best to win. If she waivers at all, and is held up, there will ensue another scandal. I have not seen COC yet and I am looking forward to it. Since the American divas will not be skating in this competition or any other GP series, we should be able to judge the skating without any nationality bias coming into the scores.

    I've never been a fan of Irina's skating but I've always respected her competitive drive and in most competitions where she won, I agreed. Her health is a big questiion now. Apparently it has not affected her this season and COC and COR are just practice sessiions, imo. If she lands on the podium at both of them, I believe she will be the gold medalist in Moscow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJSk8Fan
    3/3's or winning or not, I just hope her health is good and she can get back to skating! I've missed her.
    Wishing her luck, and good health!
    I AGREE 100%!

    Since World's is using CoP. The only way a judge can hold up a skater is by giving all high grades of execution and presentation marks. The high scores will be removed, but, even still, if Irina wins, she will surely deserve it as she has wonderful spins, breathtaking speed, gorgeous jumps, and is really beginning to connect with her music. If everyone skates clean, it will be a nail biter, as all the top skaters have different strengths! It will be interesting to see, even with all of the media talk, which component of a skater's program is weighted the most. I still believe it will be all about the jumps (as unfair as it may seem) and the flow of the program.

    OH YEA! Can't wait until Marshall's!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    Irina is the hometown favorite. That's a given. Vikka and Elena will get more than polite applause but the roar of the crowd will be Irina. Irina is more than a Russian favorite. She is a European favorite. The fans in Eurlope love her. There is no doubt that if the random drawing of judges comes up with five or more of the many republics in eastern europe who trained under the old soviet system will be partial to her. For me, it's unfair, but understandable. A person retains much of what they believed in when learning a job. As new generations come about, this sort of thing will disappear.

    However, Irina must skate her best to win. If she waivers at all, and is held up, there will ensue another scandal. I have not seen COC yet and I am looking forward to it. Since the American divas will not be skating in this competition or any other GP series, we should be able to judge the skating without any nationality bias coming into the scores.


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    Joe, you think if Irina wins because she was held up there will be a scandal. I don't see any scandals when a North American skater skating at home is held up, so why should there be when a Russian skater wins at home? In fact even if Irina skates well, there will be those who dislike her skating (I am not pointing at you specifically) they will find something wrong in the result, no matter what.
    We are already seeing biases in the GP series. FS is not a one-dimensional sport (that is why many of us love it), and there will always be some disagreements,some subjectivity, and some preferences involved. Unfortunately whenever a Russian skater wins, there are cries of bias and corruption but I don't hear anything at all when the roles are reversed.

    In any case, I would love to see Irina skate well before her home crowd, regardless of the results.

    Vash

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01
    Joe, you think if Irina wins because she was held up there will be a scandal. I don't see any scandals when a North American skater skating at home is held up, so why should there be when a Russian skater wins at home? In fact even if Irina skates well, there will be those who dislike her skating (I am not pointing at you specifically) they will find something wrong in the result, no matter what.
    We are already seeing biases in the GP series. FS is not a one-dimensional sport (that is why many of us love it), and there will always be some disagreements,some subjectivity, and some preferences involved. Unfortunately whenever a Russian skater wins, there are cries of bias and corruption but I don't hear anything at all when the roles are reversed.

    In any case, I would love to see Irina skate well before her home crowd, regardless of the results.

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    Vash, even if a North American skater was held up, I would not like that either. Whether it's Irina, Michelle, Shiz, whoever. If anyone of them were held up, of course I would have a problem with it. But looking at the past judging scandals where Russians and/or countries from the former Soviet Union were involved and may continue to do so, I just don't have faith in their abilities to be fairly objective. Yet if N.American judges or others were doing the same thing, I would object to that as well. Unfair judging is still unfair judging, no matter what country they're representing. But as you've said, it is a lot of times a subjective sport. However, it's when the judges goes beyond subjective and blatantly votes just to get their skaters up on the podium is what pisses me off. Wouldn't this bother you? If the skater who wins skates her best then of course I'd be more than happy for her even if I'm disappointed by the results just as long as there's not an obvious judging decision that's screwed up and another skater gets slighted. And by the way, I like Irina's skating.

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    Vash - Mea culpa for using the word scandal. What was I thinking? I was, however, speaking in the conditional. What I said about Irina is a big if, and I will say it about Carolina in Torino. The hometown contestants come into play subjectively, imo. I'm not predicting a bad skate for Irina. I would never do that because, imo, she is the best competitor in figure skating, but she has had some less than perfect skates. IF she does have a poor skate and WINS, there will be problematics, at least among the skating fans. I was not thinking SLC.

    I haven't seen Irina skate this year, and I am looking forward to the COC and the COR on TV. I'm also looking forward to the two American recluses at the US Nats. I don't get excited over cheesfests other than to see something that might be special even if the skater doesn't win.

    I do reiterate that Irina will be in the last group to skate at Worlds based on her win at NKH, and she will enjoy and deserve the roar of the crowd.

    Joe
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    Well the roar of the crowd could really through Irina off and she has stated that she doesn't really enjoy skating on home ice that well because of the roar of the audience. Some skaters(Mainly MK) knows how to use the energy of the audience and she usually turns that into winning moments. The only time Slutskaya turned in a great Free skate on home ice with the audience roaring at each element was GPF 2003.
    Its really interesting at how skating fans predict where Irina will finish at each competition. some say she will win back her world crown and some say she'll be lucky if she finishs top 6.
    But either way, I hope she lays-down a skate which she could be proud of on home ice, with her it's not about the medals anymore its all about competiting against the best in the world..

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    Well they were roaring for her at COC (yep reserved Asians were cheering like crazy for Irina) and she delivered. She will be on the podium if she skates like she did in COC. Her spins and footwork were amazing (esp the layback changes). Vika looked terrific as well.

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    WOW...Maybe Irina should take two years off more often..lol Is it me or does she look better than she did in 2000-2002? She looked great! I truely have to say I have missed her..Also, I have always loved her personality..Good luck to her this year.....

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