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    The Men and the Triple Axel

    I watched the CBC coverage of the NHK compeition. Paul Martini and Barb Underhill were the commentators and did an excellent job. One of the topics Paul mentioned was the difficulty some of the men have with the triple axle. Paul said the tripel axel is by far one of the most difficult jumps to nail because of the take off. It has to be right on.

    I know Emanuel Sandhu struggled with this jump for a long time. He seems to be getting more consitent with it, but for a long time it seemed like his nemesis. Truly it posses a problem for some of the more artistic skaters when they can't nail this jump. It just eludes them.

    Brian Orser does them so well he became known as "Mr. Triple Axel." I also love watching Brian do a delayed axel - he just seems to "hang" in the air. He has a cat like landing technique to all of his jumps. Here is a quote of how Brian earned the title "Mr. Triple Axel."

    Mr. Triple Axel: In February 1977, Brian became the novice skating Champions of Canada in Calgary. With that win the goals became bigger and Brian began working to perfect the triple axel. In 1979 at the Junior Canadian Championships, he became the first Junior to land the triple axel in competition. Not only was he the first Junior to land it, he was only the second person to land one in competition. Thus was born the nickname "Mr. Triple Axel" which Brian kept with him through the years and later added to it, by being the first man to land two triple axels in one program as well as the first to do it in combination.
    This jump really is a thing of beauty when exectued well. I love how more of the men are developing their artistry this season. There are some very artistic male skaters out there!!! Looking forward to seeing some great programs.

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    Hasn't Weiss struggled with the jump for years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeyora
    Hasn't Weiss struggled with the jump for years?
    Yes, I beleive that was when Paul made the comment.

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    Ilia Kulik has always had a great, text-book triple axel, and in eligible competitions he very rarely missed it as a single jump or in combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana
    Ilia Kulik has always had a great, text-book triple axel, and in eligible competitions he very rarely missed it as a single jump or in combination.

    Marjaana
    The Russians, IMO have the best triple axel technique. It's like they own the jump. Todd Eldredge also has a good triple axel, but he missed it when he needed it most (98 Olympics...the last triple)

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    I love Jumpin' Joe Z's triple axel. For his day it was the best in the business and I don't think I've seen too many since that had the aplitude his did. Also, never saw him fall on it either.

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    I always thought Brian Boitano had a wonderful triple axel and he was doing them consistently into his mid to late 30's. I don't think he can do them anymore due to his knees.

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    Axel is tough for all skaters. Lots of ladies pick up a triple or two before they get the d ax consistent. I loved Tonya Harding's t ax-it was a beaut! Yags, Orser and Sandhu (when he does it) all have beauties. I find Weiss and Ferreira's t axels ugly but they oull them off. I like one that's high and nice and tight in the air with lots of flow in and out.
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    Midori Ito had a triple axel that would have made some men proud. She had great flow into and out of the jump, great height, and power.

    Viktor Petrenko had a great triple axel too. It was the easiest jump for him, after the triple toe.

    Alexei Urmanov had a text book triple axel- his technique was perfect.

    However, my most favoritte triple axel among men belongs to Ilia Kulik. It is breath taking.

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    the triple axel

    Am I the only one who thinks the Triple Axel is much more beautiful to view than the quads? I just love the height and breadth of it-I know it is very difficult-but the fall factor is not as prevalent. In other words, I have greater confidence that the usual suspects-Kulik, Eldredge, etc.-will land it! I

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    Quote Originally Posted by 76olympics
    Am I the only one who thinks the Triple Axel is much more beautiful to view than the quads? I just love the height and breadth of it-I know it is very difficult-but the fall factor is not as prevalent. In other words, I have greater confidence that the usual suspects-Kulik, Eldredge, etc.-will land it! I
    You are not alone. I LOVE the axel jump, in general. A well excecuted triple axel is beautiful. A quad toeloop or a quad salchow is still just a toeloop and just a salchow.

    Some day we may see someone land a quad axel. However, that won't take away the beauty of a triple axel.

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    Many top skaters did not win championships because they could not master the triple axel. Christopher Bowman, Michael Weiss are prime examples.

    I am amazed by how easily Nelidina landed the triple axel, but she has nothing else (outside of jumps). For some skaters some jumps are just 'easy', and some are just 'difficult'. Bowman and Weiss obviously found the triple axel difficult.

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    Weiss USED to have a reletively solid triple axel, earlier in his career. He seems to have been losing it more and more in recent years, poor guy.

    I think with the up and comers, Griazev has a triple axel he's going to be known for. Johnny's is beautiful when he hits it, he just floats in the air. I think his is rather similar to Kulik's.

    And YES, it is much more beautiful to watch a good triple axel than a regular, plain ole quad! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasey
    Weiss USED to have a reletively solid triple axel, earlier in his career. He seems to have been losing it more and more in recent years, poor guy.

    I think with the up and comers, Griazev has a triple axel he's going to be known for. Johnny's is beautiful when he hits it, he just floats in the air. I think his is rather similar to Kulik's.

    And YES, it is much more beautiful to watch a good triple axel than a regular, plain ole quad! lol

    Kasey
    I remember the Philly Nats on TV, Michael did not try the quad even though Tim did do two, and well. But Michael did skate better and he executed one heluva nice 3A. He did have one but nowadays, he is not even skating what he can do.

    Many skaters had good 3As: Browning, Kulic, Eldridge, Stoyko, Wylie, as well as Petrenko and Urmanov. All these guys were medalists and knew the power of the 3A in competitions. I'm not sure about Orso and Boitano.

    As of today, there is Johnny with the most text book 3A you can find. Entry, revolutions, exit like silk. Andrei has a good one too, if he lands it.

    Of course, there is Evgeni and Brian. yeah yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    I remember the Philly Nats on TV, Michael did not try the quad even though Tim did do two, and well. But Michael did skate better and he executed one heluva nice 3A. He did have one but nowadays, he is not even skating what he can do.

    Many skaters had good 3As: Browning, Kulic, Eldridge, Stoyko, Wylie, as well as Petrenko and Urmanov. All these guys were medalists and knew the power of the 3A in competitions. I'm not sure about Orso and Boitano.

    As of today, there is Johnny with the most text book 3A you can find. Entry, revolutions, exit like silk. Andrei has a good one too, if he lands it.

    Of course, there is Evgeni and Brian. yeah yeah!

    Joe
    Orser was well known for his spectacular triple axels. He was the one that started the trend to do two triple axels in a long program. Boitano also had/has an excellent triple axel, and he was very consistent (when is he not?), except in the 94 Oly SP.

    I would put Stojko's triple axel a bit lower than some of the others because of his forward landing. Urmanov, Kulik, Petrenko had textbook triple axels. I thought Browning had a strong triple axel early in his career but from 1993 it seemed to have weakened a bit in consistency. I would not put Wylie's triple axel in the same group. He could land it but it lacked height and power. The rest of his skating more than made up for it, however.

    I have not seen Griazev skate in many years. I remember seeing him skate live in 2001 and his triple axel was pretty good at that time. If he has improved, that would make it excellent. I really hope we get to see him skate at COR.

    Vash

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