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  1. #16
    HamiltonBrowningFan
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    Re: Best Male Skater of the 90s


    Kurt Browning, hands down even without the Olympic medal... he's a 4 time world champion... and brought mens skating to a whole new level of artistry


    Alexei came on top after the 98 olys... so he'd be more of the "best skater of the early 2000s"

  2. #17
    BronzeisGolden02
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    HamiltonBrowningFan,

    I was just considering the decade as 90-99 and who was the best in that time frame. Alexei wasn't what he'd be in the 00s, but he did make an impressive mark before the decade's end. He won two World titles, a bronze in 97 and many other titles. So, I'd say he should definitely be recognized as a force of the 90s that also extended his career into another decade.

  3. #18
    rgirl181
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    I agree about Yags. In '96, Yags and Ilia Kulik went head-to-head in a several great competitions. One in particular, the 100 Year Anniversary of Figure Skating competition, held in Russia. It was an "anything you can do I can do better" competition with both Ilia and Yags in the zone. No quads at that time, but 3Axel/3toes and other 3/3s right and left. Kulik won World silver in 96, but Yags won World bronze in '97 at age 16 or 17. At the '98 Olympics, he caught the flu just before the LP and skated with a fever of about 102. I think he was fourth after the SP (not sure about this) but dropped to fifth after the LP. Had he not been sick, I think he would have had a good chance for a medal. He also won Europeans that year, substituting for an injured Kulik. Then of course he went on to win '98 Worlds. '98 was when Yags started his domination, but he was definitely making an impact and winning some important competitions starting in '95/96.
    Rgirl

  4. #19
    ballerinagrl
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    Best Male Skater of the 90's


    Another very personal list, based on what they did for me ....

    1. Ilia Kulik - technique AND artistry
    2. Paul Wylie - as above
    3. Elvis Stoyko - for lifting the game to quads and his unique artistry ...
    4. Kurt Browning - the consumate performer, with jumps to match ...
    5. Alexie Yagudin (one of my all time favourite skaters, inducted in to my own personal hall of fame I could have put him higher than the other guys on those grounds, but he made his impression mid to late 90's, while the others made an impression either at the start of the decade, which influenced the directions men's skating has gone in, and some of them made an impression straight through the decade ...

  5. #20
    Jaana
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    >Rgirl,
    I agree about Yags. In '96, Yags and Ilia Kulik went head-to-head in a several great competitions. One in particular, the 100 Year Anniversary of Figure Skating competition, held in Russia. It was an "anything you can do I can do better" competition with both Ilia and Yags in the zone.>

    I don´t think that in ´96 Ilia and Yagudin went head-to-head in any competitions? Actually in Centennial On Ice the big and interesting competition was between Ilia Kulik and Igor Pashkevich, not Yagudin at all. It was of no importance how Yagudin may place there. It was about which of these two (Ilia and Igor) will be able to travel to Worlds 1996. There were only two slots for the Russians and Urmanov had been given one of them. Ilia was third at Europeans and Pashkevich second, so this was a very deciding competition for them. Urmanov already had a place as the Russian champion (he did not participate at Europeans because of some eye injury). Such a pity that Ilia gave his best performance of the season (and career with the exception of Olympics) in Centennial, he would have needed that performance in Edmonton, where he skated almost as well but not quite. It was sooo close that he could have won the World Championships... Three judges thought that he was the best.

    I think that Urmanov was the one expected to win the Centennial on Ice, because there was an interview and also they showed some material as he was practicing in his home rink.

    About the Nagano Olympics, I remember from the US broadcast that Yagudin did catch cold (=got fever) because after the short programme he took a shower and stayed with wet hair in the cold arena watching others to compete.

    Marjaana

  6. #21
    rgirl181
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    Jaana,
    I defer to your knowledge about Ilia (and often refer to it:D ), but I have a tape of the Centennial and Ilia and Yags are on it, skating like gangbusters. Plus on "The Skating Blade" reference
    www.theskateblade.com/ref...5-1996.htm
    at the Centennial on Ice, St. Petersburg, Ilia is listed as finishing first, Yags second, Urmanov third, then Scott Davis, Candeloro, and Zagorudniuk. No mention of Paskevich. I remember seeing Ilia compete against Paskevich in '96, though. Maybe you're thinking Euros, where Paskevich and Ilia finished second and third, respectively.

    But Centennial was Ilia's best performance of "Aladdin" to be sure--he hit everything perfectly whereas at Worlds he left out the 2t on a planned combination. I remember him saying afterwards when I reporter asked him something like "Did you learn anything from this experience?" Ilia said, "I learned not to leave out any combinations." I thought that was such a great line!
    Rgirl

  7. #22
    shadair
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    I'll choose:

    Paul Wylie
    Todd Eldredge
    Ilya Kulik
    Alexei Yagudin
    Kurt Browning
    Viktor Petrenko (I really liked Viktor before he got so caught up in using props)
    Philippe Candeloro/Elvis Stojko
    Alexei Urmanov





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    My #1 Male in 90's choice goes to Kurt Browing.
    Even he did not win any Oly madel. But his LP "Casablanca" in 94 Oly brought the new aspect of LP in competetion. He is the only male in 90's can interprete any musical in such a proper manner.

    The rest in the list can go in any order. I don't have any perticular preference.


  9. #24
    Jaana
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    >Rgirl,
    "The Skating Blade" reference
    www.theskateblade.com/ref...5-1996.htm
    at the Centennial on Ice, St. Petersburg, Ilia is listed as finishing first, Yags second, Urmanov third, then Scott Davis, Candeloro, and Zagorudniuk. No mention of Paskevich. I remember seeing Ilia compete against Paskevich in '96, though. Maybe you're thinking Euros, where Paskevich and Ilia finished second and third, respectively.>

    No, I´m meaning the Centennial on Ice, because that was careerwise a really crucial competition to Ilia (and Pashkevich). If Ilia had not won, had not skated better than Pashkevich there, Ilia would not have been selected for Worlds 1996. The Europeans 1996 were before the Centennial on Ice, and because Pashkevich was second at Europeans and Ilia was third, the Russian Federation made the decision whom to send to Worlds based on the results at Centennial.

    In the Centennial free skate Ilia skated early and Pashkevich was the last skater (shown in our broadcast anyway), so it was very exciting to watch how Pashkevich will skate... He lost his nerves, that is the impression I got.

    Yagudin was not in the Worlds mix at all, and I don´t think it was even close that he could have won in Centennial? I never got the impression that there was any competition between Ilia and Yagudin, there was no excitement in the commentary (Finnish commentary) either about any competition between those two. The impression I got from the competition, is that it was such a very clear win for Ilia. LOL, I have to admit though that I don´t believe that I have watched Yagudin´s Centennial programmes or marks after the broadcast in 1996.

    Because Pashkevich was not selected for Worlds (normally the selection is done based on results at Europeans), he changed the country for Azerbayan (sp?).

    Marjaana




  10. #25
    Jules Asner
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    :D :D :D :D :D PAUL WYLIE!!!!!!!!!!


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    Dee4707
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    <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I am a huge Yagudin fan, but I agree that he more has come into his own since 2000.[/quote]
    I agree.

    Dee

  12. #27
    rgirl181
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    <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I´m meaning the Centennial on Ice, because that was careerwise a really crucial competition to Ilia (and Pashkevich). If Ilia had not won, had not skated better than Pashkevich there, Ilia would not have been selected for Worlds 1996.[/quote] Ilia certainly skated better than Pashkevich. Since Pashkevich didn't even make the top six, I'd say Ilia basically blew him off the ice:smokin:

    I didn't mean to imply that the Centennial was intended as a match-up between Ilia and Yags; I just meant that that's how they skated. It was a great competition between Ilia and Yags, and the first time I noticed how good Yags was and what potential he had. I already knew Ilia was great Later in '96 Yags won Jr. Worlds. That's all I meant, that Yags was winning or placing high in important competitions starting in '95/96.
    Rgirl

  13. #28
    Jaana
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    >Rgirl
    I didn't mean to imply that the Centennial was intended as a match-up between Ilia and Yags; I just meant that that's how they skated. It was a great competition between Ilia and Yags>

    I guess we are not agreeing in this matter, LOL. I cannot see Centennial as a match-up or as a competition between Ilia and Yagudin, and even less as a great competition between them. I mean, their marks were so different, that there simply was no competition. In both short programme and freeskate Ilia skated earlier than Yagudin and their marks were:

    IK / short programme
    5.8 5,8 5,8 5,7 5,8 5,6 5,7
    5,9 5,8 5,9 5,8 5,8 5,9 5,8

    Yagudin
    5,6 5,6 5,7 5,5 5,9 5,7 5,4
    5,5 5,5 5,6 5,6 5,8 5,7 5,2

    IK freeskate
    5,8 5,8 5,8 5,8 5,8 5,8 5,9
    5,8 5,9 5,9 5,9 5,9 5,8 5,8

    Yagudin
    5,7 5,7 5,7 5,7 5,8 5,5 5,8
    5,5 5,7 5,5 5,7 5,8 5,7 5,7

    Our commentator mentioned that Yagudin already had won Junior WC before Centennial and in Europeans he was sixth.

    Marjaana


  14. #29
    Ladskater
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    Re: Best Male Skater of the 90s


    Kurt Browning!!!


    Ladskater

  15. #30
    rgirl181
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    <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I guess we are not agreeing in this matter, LOL.[/quote] :lol: It's true, Jaana, and I'm such a big Ilia fan, too! Ilia was indeed the clear winner over Yags at the Centennial; however, I still enjoyed the competition between them in that event

    Besides, all this was just me trying to make the point that, at least IMO, Yags was winning or placing high in some important competitions starting in '95/96.

    Anyway, I bet we agree on this: Ilia Kulik is one of the most phenomenal figure skaters ever to grace the sport.
    Rgirl

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