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Thread: Irina Slutskaya will retire after the 2006 Olympics; possibly 2006 Worlds

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    Why would anyone spend time feeling sorry for Irina? Irina has never felt sorry for herself and instead uses her energy for positive things like training her craft, competing and doing things that athletes do. There is no "feel sorry for Irina' attitude at ISFF either We feel nothing but respect and awe for this true gift to the sport. The strength with which she continues to deal with adversity continues to amaze us but in reality it shouldn't. Irina has always taken the obstacles in her life and turned them towards a benefit. It is an inate character she possess that is very rare. She tackles the obstacles head on and refuses to give up on herself or her skating. If not for her true grit, determination and love for what she does I do not think she'd be back on top even yet again. Her career accomplishments are what dreams are made of but what she's done just this year is worthy of top honors.

    I'm not going to board drag but since this was already mentioned, I'll suggest to the poster that is of the opinion that ISFF is a big pity party for Irina that you simply not bother to waste the bandwidth of the forum by going. The bigger question is why you even bother to visit a board that you obviously loathe. It could not be good for your health and while we welcome visitors you could put a spin on the old saying...with visitors like that....

    The deadhorse of where Irina chooses to live and train has already been beat to death too. Lucrative training deals for atheletes of Irina's stature are pretty common and if she so chose to she could have her pick of training base or place of residence. She has no desire to leave Moscow or Russia, in addition to her husband, she also has parents, homes and business obligations. She works for COI as an entertainer and a skater. It's not required that she be in love with the country or anybody or everybody in the US.

    Actions do speak louder than words though and a couple things Irina did do after 9/11 was go the very next day to the Amercian Embassy in Moscow and leave flowers and candles, she also took time from her training schedule during the hectic Olympic year to come to New York and skate in the 9/11 Tribute Skate. (Something that even some US skaters did not take time to do)

    It is possible to take remarks from any athelete or anybody out there and put a sinister or nasty spin on them. The only thing I can say about this type of negativity is that it is helpful in that it exposes bias by certain posters. The extent and effort that some people contrive to do this is ugly but again the exposure speaks volumes.. While the old saying "names changed to protect the innocent" is popular, names can be changed but purpose and intent tends to follow like a bad stinch. This stinch and odor bring sour memories of the summer and fall going into Olympics '02. But wait, it's not even spring yet.

    As for Irina's comments not being an "official statement" How odd is it that that Irina's earlier purported remarks to newspapers are so flippantly quoted and bantered about as "gospel" but these latest remarks are "ignorable".

    I still don't know where the rumor that Irina was retiring after Moscow 05 got its start but this statement does put that rumor to rest for good.

    Whatever, call your bookies, '06 is Slute's last eligible year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ditzysk8r
    Oh, I think Evgeny gives us plenty of Biellmanns!
    OT to this forum, but have you seen some of the pics from the JGP Final? It was judged on CoP for the first time and the mentality of the juniors regarding spins is to throw in Biellmanns left, right, and centre to upgrade them (even the men). So, I think we're going to be getting a whole crop of skaters in multiple disciplines with Biellmann packed programmes

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvgal57
    As for Irina's comments not being an "official statement" How odd is it that that Irina's earlier purported remarks to newspapers are so flippantly quoted and bantered about as "gospel" but these latest remarks are "ignorable".

    I still don't know where the rumor that Irina was retiring after Moscow 05 got its start but this statement does put that rumor to rest for good.

    Whatever, call your bookies, '06 is Slute's last eligible year.

    To WVgal,

    I do nto feel that these remarks are "ignorable". I have no reason to doubt her words. However, I would hardly label these "news" as "official".

    1) These "news" did not come as a statement from her federation. Furthermore, she did not call a conference. This was something mentioned to a single journalist. (and he was Russian! Maybe he is twisting her words, as usual????LOL)

    2). Please notice the words "most likely". This is not something you see in "official" news. That leaves a lot of rom for a change of mind (not that I am expecting it). Would she have said "most definitely", it would've been a different story. I can assure you that the difference was not last in translation to me.

    3) Finally, please cheer up. There is no reason to be so catty. I love Irina's skating and I am not trying to bash her.

    Cheers, Yana

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt
    OT to this forum, but have you seen some of the pics from the JGP Final? It was judged on CoP for the first time and the mentality of the juniors regarding spins is to throw in Biellmanns left, right, and centre to upgrade them (even the men). So, I think we're going to be getting a whole crop of skaters in multiple disciplines with Biellmann packed programmes
    I remember in 2001 when Scott/Dulebohn performed side by side half biellmanns in their long program. Dulebohn isn't that flexible, so it looked really strange LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisthingcalledlove
    I remember in 2001 when Scott/Dulebohn performed side by side half biellmanns in their long program. Dulebohn isn't that flexible, so it looked really strange LOL
    Hey, props to a guy that even get close (Lord knows, I can't)

    There's an interesting thought: side by side pairs Biellmanns..... (rather interesting mental image, too)

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    Bottom Line is that it is an acrobatic trick for people who do not have to work at it as much as others do. It has a lot to do with body structure. I'm not impressed. If ou are, so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    Bottom Line is that it is an acrobatic trick for people who do not have to work at it as much as others do. It has a lot to do with body structure. I'm not impressed. If ou are, so be it.

    Joe
    I don't know about that. Natalia Mishkutonek had to work like crazy to get her body in that position and I've seen something on Irina a few years ago that she's not that flexible and had to work very hard to attain that level of flexibility. Just looking at Irina, I don't think that the Bielmann is something that her body easily gets into and in the beginning of her career, I don't recall her doing a lot of Bielmann spins. Sasha and Shizuka have more natural flexibility than Irina.
    Either way, no matter where you start in flexibility, the older you get the harder it is to keep/maintain it. The fact that Irina has maintained her flexibility and still has the strength to do these demanding layback spins says a lot about her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvgal57
    Why would anyone spend time feeling sorry for Irina? Irina has never felt sorry for herself and instead uses her energy for positive things like training her craft, competing and doing things that athletes do. There is no "feel sorry for Irina' attitude at ISFF either We feel nothing but respect and awe for this true gift to the sport. The strength with which she continues to deal with adversity continues to amaze us but in reality it shouldn't. Irina has always taken the obstacles in her life and turned them towards a benefit. It is an inate character she possess that is very rare. She tackles the obstacles head on and refuses to give up on herself or her skating. If not for her true grit, determination and love for what she does I do not think she'd be back on top even yet again. Her career accomplishments are what dreams are made of but what she's done just this year is worthy of top honors.

    I'm not going to board drag but since this was already mentioned, I'll suggest to the poster that is of the opinion that ISFF is a big pity party for Irina that you simply not bother to waste the bandwidth of the forum by going. The bigger question is why you even bother to visit a board that you obviously loathe. It could not be good for your health and while we welcome visitors you could put a spin on the old saying...with visitors like that....

    The deadhorse of where Irina chooses to live and train has already been beat to death too. Lucrative training deals for atheletes of Irina's stature are pretty common and if she so chose to she could have her pick of training base or place of residence. She has no desire to leave Moscow or Russia, in addition to her husband, she also has parents, homes and business obligations. She works for COI as an entertainer and a skater. It's not required that she be in love with the country or anybody or everybody in the US.

    Actions do speak louder than words though and a couple things Irina did do after 9/11 was go the very next day to the Amercian Embassy in Moscow and leave flowers and candles, she also took time from her training schedule during the hectic Olympic year to come to New York and skate in the 9/11 Tribute Skate. (Something that even some US skaters did not take time to do)

    It is possible to take remarks from any athelete or anybody out there and put a sinister or nasty spin on them. The only thing I can say about this type of negativity is that it is helpful in that it exposes bias by certain posters. The extent and effort that some people contrive to do this is ugly but again the exposure speaks volumes.. While the old saying "names changed to protect the innocent" is popular, names can be changed but purpose and intent tends to follow like a bad stinch. This stinch and odor bring sour memories of the summer and fall going into Olympics '02. But wait, it's not even spring yet.

    As for Irina's comments not being an "official statement" How odd is it that that Irina's earlier purported remarks to newspapers are so flippantly quoted and bantered about as "gospel" but these latest remarks are "ignorable".

    I still don't know where the rumor that Irina was retiring after Moscow 05 got its start but this statement does put that rumor to rest for good.

    Whatever, call your bookies, '06 is Slute's last eligible year.
    Please get a grip wvgal!
    I never said that ISFF was a huge pity party for Irina. I pointed out the fact that some posters have gone from board to board talking about how "poor" she is and that she has had to pay for the health care of family members. I have read this on ISFF, and I believe YOU have posted it several times yourself. As a representative of Irina, running her official board, naturally I thought what you posted was fact. Why anyone would get so bent out of shape that it was speculated on another board that Irina posed for those photos because she needed the money is beyond me. I don't think it was too far fetched for anyone to think she may have needed the money, based on what has been posted in the past.
    Maybe some fans are too stressed for their own good or something, I don't know. Irina isn't exempt from criticism. Sarah got her fair share, even from some other skaters *cough* Irina *cough*. Sasha gets hers all the time. Michelle has been criticized to death. I am glad Irina has such thick skin. I think her fans need to develop some as well, just as we Sarah fans have had to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soogar
    I don't know about that. Natalia Mishkutonek had to work like crazy to get her body in that position and I've seen something on Irina a few years ago that she's not that flexible and had to work very hard to attain that level of flexibility. Just looking at Irina, I don't think that the Bielmann is something that her body easily gets into and in the beginning of her career, I don't recall her doing a lot of Bielmann spins. Sasha and Shizuka have more natural flexibility than Irina.
    Either way, no matter where you start in flexibility, the older you get the harder it is to keep/maintain it. The fact that Irina has maintained her flexibility and still has the strength to do these demanding layback spins says a lot about her.
    Soogar - Nothing against you or others who go overboard for this acrobatic flexibility and others who go overboard for some sort of necessity for furious speed which only the poster sees as the fastest.

    These are just nitpicking items as is flutzing. They are just one item each to consider in judging figure skating. They are not the most important items in a complete program. If they are then the poster should watch cirque du soleil or gymnastics. They are basic in those disciplines. If this means ART to you, and flow on ice with strong edges and stroking to music is meaningless, ok. It's your opinion.

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    Having read pbps of the 4CC competition, I can tell you that Biellmann's are spreading like wildfire, for both men and women. I think it's only matter of time before the ISU puts limits on the number of times the Biellmann can be used in a single program. When the Biellmann is an element in every spin and in the Spiral sequence as well, it tends to wear out its novelty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm
    Having read pbps of the 4CC competition, I can tell you that Biellmann's are spreading like wildfire, for both men and women. I think it's only matter of time before the ISU puts limits on the number of times the Biellmann can be used in a single program. When the Biellmann is an element in every spin and in the Spiral sequence as well, it tends to wear out its novelty.
    I can just see if a skater in competition thinks he/she needs an extra few points to win the competition, instead of adding another triple, he/she will just do a fancy footwork into a bielman spiral. How clever!! but it will get the extra points.

    What I would like to see in a Bielman is the body arched and the legs way up there but not with the hands holding this position. That would really mean flexibility. The ability to raise your legs up in that arched position without the assistance of your hands. Think about it. Can't you see Lambiel doing that with different arm positions? I can see Sasha in a charlotte then raising her body to the bielman arch and have her arms move backward and upward (like a swan) and compliment that position soley on its own. that to me would really be a toughie.

    I think the same way as for the Y spin and the I spin, but hey, that's me. If you need support to hold up the leg, you are not all that flexible.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    I can just see if a skater in competition thinks he/she needs an extra few points to win the competition, instead of adding another triple, he/she will just do a fancy footwork into a bielman spiral. How clever!! but it will get the extra points.

    What I would like to see in a Bielman is the body arched and the legs way up there but not with the hands holding this position. That would really mean flexibility. The ability to raise your legs up in that arched position without the assistance of your hands. Think about it. Can't you see Lambiel doing that with different arm positions? I can see Sasha in a charlotte then raising her body to the bielman arch and have her arms move backward and upward (like a swan) and compliment that position soley on its own. that to me would really be a toughie.

    I think the same way as for the Y spin and the I spin, but hey, that's me. If you need support to hold up the leg, you are not all that flexible.

    Joe
    I think most of the skaters can do it as a stationary position (I know I've done it once or twice in ballet), but I think the laws of physics would be against that...

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    Pro Competitions

    If IRINA, MICHELLE, SHIZUKA, and possibly FUMIE all turn Pro after the Olympics(which is very likely), I think we'll see more Pro Competitions again. The way it is these days with only YUKA, OKSANA and KRISTI able to do triples, now that NANCY is doing the family thing, and MARIA isn't skating much, they just weren't able to fill the field for the Ladies competitions. Without full fields for the Ladies, the sponsors cut back, waiting for better times, and we lost a lot of Pro skating telecasts.
    I think for the good of skating, these Ladies should retire and turn the sport over to the younger ladies, SASHA, MIKI, JENNY, KIMMIE, BEBE, KATY, and the other young North American, European and Asian skaters. I think if they do, it should restore Pro skating and the new names on the ISU podiums will help bring new excitement to the elegible competitions. It is important that both the Pro and Elegible Worlds are healthy, because they promote each other, and if one catches a cold, the other gets sick too.

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    As a representative of Irina, running her official board,

    Poor Fossi, telling someone to get a grip when it's you who is all hot and bothered! Chill out child because it's not good for your heart or health, perhaps mommy needs to check on you! I wonder why these same little phrases keep showing up! Get a grip why don't you?

    And, here we go again ..You once again don't have your facts straight. Perhaps some one needs to return to school. I am not an offical at ISFF, not administrator, nor representative. Simply a fan and a poster. I represent me, myself and I! Why do I think you knew that already, just another excuse to board drag.

    Something else you are wrong about too.. I have NEVER posted anything regarding Irina's finances. The "poor" rumor most likely started with the same crew that started the "she is retiring after Moscow" rumor and carried it from board to board..

    As for her contributing to her mothers medical bills, she does make the big bucks so it is expected that she'd help defray her mothers medical costs. I would hope any child would do the same for their parent if financially able.

    I've also never intimated anything to the fact that Irina was skating for money, I take Irina at her word that she missed the atmosphere, missed the competition. She's kept the same schedule this year that she always kept and the prize $ is nothing now compared to what it used to be. She's simply been out there doing what athletes normally do - compete! I don't think there is any doubt where her heart is.

    As for her photos, any woman who is powerful enough to set her own conditions and demand her own price gets my kudos! She

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    oh, you're right wvgal. I'm a child in school and you're my school mate. Unfortunately for you, you've missed your nap time and are especially grumpy today. Good thing for Irina that you're not a representative because you're looking awful ridiculous right about now. But don't you run her OFFICIAL board?
    You're acting like someone just stole your Halloween candy! If you insist on your childish name-calling and immature tactics, please take it to the personal messages, or I may have to tell the teacher on you. I'm sure you don't want detention
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