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    Ladies LP (with Final Results)

    Name Nation TSS
    = TES
    + PCS
    + SS TR PE CH IN Deduction
    - StN.
    1 Fumie SUGURI JPN 117.22 57.90 59.32 7.43 7.25 7.46 7.43 7.50 0.00 #23
    2 Yoshie ONDA JPN 108.78 55.23 53.55 6.93 6.43 6.79 6.68 6.64 0.00 #19
    3 Jennifer KIRK USA 96.82 45.82 52.00 6.57 6.32 6.50 6.50 6.61 1.00 #21
    4 Amber CORWIN USA 90.39 44.10 46.29 6.00 5.61 5.79 5.71 5.82 0.00 #14
    5 Lesley HAWKER CAN 89.22 45.45 44.77 5.61 5.43 5.61 5.61 5.71 1.00 #17
    6 Miriam MANZANO AUS 85.08 46.57 38.51 4.96 4.54 4.89 4.75 4.93 0.00 #12
    7 Joanne CARTER AUS 84.46 39.02 45.44 5.79 5.54 5.61 5.71 5.75 0.00 #24
    8 Beatrisa LIANG USA 83.48 39.81 46.67 6.00 5.82 5.71 5.82 5.82 3.00 #22
    9 Yan LIU CHN 82.59 41.16 41.43 5.39 4.93 5.18 5.18 5.21 0.00 #13
    10 Ji Eun CHOI KOR 81.43 38.16 43.27 5.43 5.18 5.39 5.43 5.61 0.00 #18
    11 Chae-Hwa KIM KOR 77.39 42.16 35.23 4.57 4.21 4.46 4.39 4.39 0.00 #8
    12 Yukari NAKANO JPN 76.57 36.01 42.56 5.57 5.25 5.14 5.43 5.21 2.00 #16
    13 Dan FANG CHN 74.62 33.01 41.61 5.43 5.04 5.21 5.11 5.21 0.00 #15
    14 Vicky BOISSONNEAULT CAN 72.72 31.40 43.32 5.54 5.29 5.32 5.43 5.50 2.00 #20
    15 Na HOU CHN 71.49 36.94 35.55 4.79 4.11 4.57 4.36 4.39 1.00 #11
    16 Yea-Ji SHIN KOR 60.33 26.12 34.21 4.39 4.14 4.25 4.29 4.32 0.00 #7
    17 Shirene HUMAN RSA 58.57 26.69 31.88 4.11 3.82 4.07 3.89 4.04 0.00 #3
    18 Diane CHEN TPE 57.62 27.26 30.36 3.82 3.61 3.86 3.82 3.86 0.00 #6
    19 Jenna-Anne BUYS RSA 56.70 28.35 30.35 3.86 3.68 3.79 3.75 3.89 2.00 #2
    20 Michelle CANTU MEX 56.32 25.27 32.05 3.96 3.89 4.00 4.00 4.18 1.00 #10
    21 Sarah-Yvonne PRYTULA AUS 53.39 24.16 30.23 3.96 3.68 3.75 3.75 3.75 1.00 #1
    22 Ana Cecilia CANTU MEX 51.40 23.20 31.20 3.93 3.82 3.86 3.89 4.00 3.00 #9
    23 Gladys OROZCO MEX 50.87 21.84 31.03 3.96 3.75 3.86 3.89 3.93 2.00 #5
    24 Shirley Hsin Hui TSAI TPE 40.58 16.87 24.71 3.18 2.93 3.04 3.11 3.18 1.00 #4

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    Final Results

    FPl. Name Nat. Points SP FS
    1 Fumie SUGURI JPN 178.66 1 1
    2 Yoshie ONDA JPN 166.80 2 2
    3 Jennifer KIRK USA 148.06 3 3
    4 Joanne CARTER AUS 134.09 4 7
    5 Lesley HAWKER CAN 133.20 10 5
    6 Amber CORWIN USA 132.36 11 4
    7 Beatrisa LIANG USA 130.78 5 8
    8 Yan LIU CHN 128.50 8 9
    9 Miriam MANZANO AUS 122.72 16 6
    10 Ji Eun CHOI KOR 122.68 12 10
    11 Yukari NAKANO JPN 121.74 9 12
    12 Dan FANG CHN 120.56 7 13
    13 Vicky BOISSONNEAULT CAN 119.06 6 14
    14 Chae-Hwa KIM KOR 117.84 14 11
    15 Na HOU CHN 112.26 13 15
    16 Michelle CANTU MEX 93.99 15 20
    17 Yea-Ji SHIN KOR 91.92 17 16
    18 Shirene HUMAN RSA 88.00 19 17
    19 Diane CHEN TPE 86.02 21 18
    20 Jenna-Anne BUYS RSA 82.38 24 19
    21 Sarah-Yvonne PRYTULA AUS 82.16 20 21
    22 Ana Cecilia CANTU MEX 81.88 18 22
    23 Gladys OROZCO MEX 79.03 22 23
    24 Shirley Hsin Hui TSAI TPE 66.28 23 24
    25 Nadezhda PARETSKAIA KAZ 25

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    yay! I'm so happy for Fumie! what a nice way to turn her season around!

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    What a pretty picture of Fumie. This is a great send-off for Worlds for her.

    Quite a big differentce in the scores among the leaders. No close contests until you get down to 4-5-6.

    Bebe got three deductions in the LP? Ouch.

    Go Jenny!

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    I just wanted Fumie to beat the other Japanese Ladies. She did and she came in first.

    But what happened to my Bebe with 3 deductions. Is she going the way of my List of Inconsistent Skaters?

    Jenny proved she should be on the USA Team.

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    These results also show the depth of the Japanese ladies. Yoshie Onda, the fourth ranked lady after Arakawa, Ando and Suguri, handily beat our third girl Jenny, plus Bebe and Amber. Then they have Ota and Mai Asada who are at the same level.

    Among the youngsters, we like Kimmie Meissner and Katy Talyor, but Mao Asada, a year younger, is favored to win Junior Worlds next week.

    Can Sasha and Michelle can hold their own in Moscow?

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    Way to go Fumie. I can stop holding my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Can Sasha and Michelle can hold their own in Moscow?
    Mathman
    I really think Irina will win Worlds. There is too much going for her. Aside from the home town, there is the admiration that so many have for her comeback, and also she is the only Russian Lady that has a chance at the Olys.

    I think it's a safe bet that MK will disappear from eligibles after the Olys as will Irina. I believe Sasha will also disappear if she wins the Olys but if she doesn't I am not at all sure if she wont stay and give it another try.

    Those Japanese Ladies are threatening. Would Sasha's "older" body be able to cope with quads? There was much discussion about MK being too old to get extra air turns on her jumps, and even the great jumper, Irina has never come up with a quad.

    The times, they are a changing.

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    I was thinking the same thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    These results also show the depth of the Japanese ladies. Yoshie Onda, the fourth ranked lady after Arakawa, Ando and Suguri, handily beat our third girl Jenny, plus Bebe and Amber. Then they have Ota and Mai Asada who are at the same level.

    Among the youngsters, we like Kimmie Meissner and Katy Talyor, but Mao Asada, a year younger, is favored to win Junior Worlds next week.

    Can Sasha and Michelle can hold their own in Moscow?

    Mathman
    This is EXACTLY what I thought the second I saw the 4CC results. Tons of depth there. I was thrilled that Fumie had two solid programs and won. I need to re-work my World's final group predictions I think.

    Joe, it will defnitely be interesting to see what happens at Jr. Worlds - definitely will give us plenty to speculate about for Olys / post Olys.

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    And analysing the marks ...

    It becomes more and more obvious that CoP rewards the jumps less than the old system. Fumie's 5 triples LP beats Yoshie's 7. Not only Fumie has a higher component score, but with more difficult spins and footwork she also takes the lead on the technical elements score ! What's more, Fumie did not attempt the triple loop ... and in a 6 (planned) triples performance, CoP does not give any penalty if one kind of triple is missing (or credit if all are done). Yoshie did each triple and repeated the Lutz and Flip. We are seeing more and more loop-less programs in the lady competition. This is a perverse effect of the judging system. Another one.
    Has anyone seen Bebe Liang's short program? I read she doubled her lutz in the combo, AND she received -3 grade by every judge. Was there some major mistake with her double lutz, or is this double whammy ?
    Same thing for Fumie Suguri's salchow attempt : she received unanimously -3 for a DOUBLE. What happened ?
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    Are you sure about Fumie's marks for her Salchow? I am looking at the scores from the ISU website and it looks like she got two -2's, one -1, eight 0's and one +1.

    About a double whammy, I think if you try a triple and get two and a hslf times around, then that's a double -- AND a negative GOE for over-rotation.(?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Are you sure about Fumie's marks for her Salchow?

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    My mistake !!! I scrolled down the page and was reading Jenny Kirk's marks (she fell so the -3 is normal).
    What was the problem with Bebe Liang's DOUBLE lutz in the short ?

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    I am not an expert, but I think the problem was that one of the requirements in the Short Program is a "triple/double" or "triple/triple" combination. When Bebe only did a double/double, she failed to do a required element. A combinmation is counted as one unit for the GOE. So I think she took a mandatory -3 for failing to do the required combination.

    BTW, I notice that Yoshie Onda did a rare double Axel/triple toe sequence in the LP. If I am not mistaken, this gives the skater a chance to get in an extra triple jump without doing too many jumping passes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggygirl
    Joe, it will defnitely be interesting to see what happens at Jr. Worlds - definitely will give us plenty to speculate about for Olys / post Olys.
    DG
    How many of those Junior girls with the possibility of winning the Junior Worlds or standing on podium or looking like they arrived, will be the right age for the Olympics?

    Joe

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