Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 40

Thread: IMHO, easier for Michelle to improve under COP than 6.0 system

  1. #1
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    102

    IMHO, easier for Michelle to improve under COP than 6.0 system

    From just about every forum I've visited, the same thing has been said about Michelle's impending disastrous skating results at this coming worlds which will result in her "forced" retirement to avoid further embarrassment.

    I beg to differ. IMHO, even if Michelle doesn't score well under the COP at this 2005 Worlds, it's much much easier for her to improve and adjust under the COP than the 6.0 system. The reason is that the COP technical scores are straight to the point. It says clearly what is required to achieve a certain level for each specified element. To top it off, each skater has an individual score sheet that states exactly how each of their elements is scored. This allows them to evaluate how they fair against one another.

    If Michelle doesn't score well for a certain element, she will know exactly what needs to be done to improve and I believe Michelle has the skills to deliver just that except her layback. As for the 6.0, the technical scores are just as subjective as the presentation scores. Hence, it's very difficult for a skater to know exactly what needs to be done to improve their technical skills.

    The highly subjective part of the COP is the PCS. Now, I wouldn't bet Michelle will fair worse on the PCS when she has consistently excelled at the presentation scores under the 6.0.

    That said, if the COP is revised to reward 3/3s (it should be), then it's trouble for Michelle because I believe Michelle has problems with the 3/3 at this age.
    Last edited by apache88; 03-10-2005 at 01:44 PM.

  2. #2
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    28,426
    To me, Michelle is still the one to beat under any scoring system. We'll know a little more after next week, but I hope that all the nay-sayers on the other boards that you mention are prepared to step up and eat crow if Michelle brings her A game. (But they won't. If Michelle wins the World championship, well, it's never too late to start whining about who was robbed in Moscow and its never too early to start screeching about why Michelle won't make the podium in Torino.)

    Personally, I think the CoP suits Michelle's style just fine. Rack up the points by landing all your jumps, then coast home on the component scores. Like they say in golf -- "Drive for show, putt for dough."

    As for triple/triples, don't worry, she's still got 'em when she needs 'em.

    Mathman

    PS. Sorry, MZheng, I hope I didn't tempt the skate gods with that one, LOL.

  3. #3
    Lovin' the Kween ... Now and Forever
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    1,021
    apache88 and mathman ...

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I could not agree with you more.

    It has been a mystery to me why so many people are convinced Michelle will crash and burn under COP. I'm afraid to say that I think for some it may just be wishful thinking.
    Michelle's skating is the same ... no matter what judging system is used. Her overall quality is high enough that she should fare well under any circumstances ... if she skates a good program.
    My feeling all along has been that she has been taking things slow and easy for one reason ... she has discovered that her body can't take the constant pounding it did 4 years ago ... and that she would sort of "save herself" for as long as she could, knowing that next year will take a lot out of her.
    I do believe she can do a 3/3 ... but if she can't, that's not a death sentence for her either IMO. This season has shown me that there is no one leading the pack on a consistent basis, so next season is not a sure thing for anyone.

    I personally can't wait for this event ... it should be quite a ride!!!

  4. #4
    Tripping on the Podium
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    71
    The endless speculation of what may or may not be Michelle Kwan's fate at the upcoming world championships in inevitable.

    Regardless of what her future holds, surely we can all agree that she has been a breathtaking ambassador for our sport. Let us please give this remarkable young woman the respect she deserves and has earned.

    My fondest hope for all involved, competitors and fans alike, is that everyone skates to the absolute best of their abilities in Moscow next week. Wouldn't that be thrilling?

  5. #5
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    South Korea
    Posts
    267
    i think this will be one of the most anticipated lady's world championship in history. we've got several things going for that: new COP being used, kwan never having been judged under it, multiple contenders for gold (not just 2 or even 3)... and the moscow controversy... will there be one? the atmosphere is ripe.. and will sasha prove she's the best once and for all under COP?.. all these answered and more!

    the drama should be intense and unforgettable. this is one worlds i wouldn't miss for anything, LOL

  6. #6
    Custom Title brad640's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    400
    Quote Originally Posted by gracefulswan
    i think this will be one of the most anticipated lady's world championship in history.
    I agree, gracefulswan, and the suspense is killing me. Today I had the thought that Joannie could really win the gold medal if:
    1)Irina and Michelle have solid skates, but not the performance of a lifetime,
    2)Sasha and Shizuka have flashes of brilliance and a couple if mistakes.
    3)Miki lands her jumps, but is scored down for her PCS and GOE like she has all season,
    4)Joannie has the performance of a lifetime, as she seems to have been building toward all season.

    I think this is possible because Joannie has been steadily improving, assuming she did not peak at nationals. She has the 3-3s and she has great, difficult choreography with tested COP strategy. My one reservation with her has been that her interpretive skills haven't been up to the level of David Wilson's very demanding choreography (I think her program is more difficult than what any of the other ladies will attempt at worlds), but I could see her skating with her heart at worlds and becoming a great surprise.

  7. #7
    Joey Votto Fangirl KwanFan1212's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Great American Ballpark Watching the Reds
    Posts
    781
    I have to agree, I think Michelle will be just fine under CoP and I can't wait for next week. She tends to peak at Worlds and after a good but not fabulous LP in Portland, she will come out ready to go.

    As far as my nerves go with regards to Worlds next week....well, I've stocked up on some Tums if that tells you anything, LOL

  8. #8
    Tripping on the Podium
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Getting my tiffin' poodle perm at Peaches Beauty Salon during FSU downtime
    Posts
    67
    Quote Originally Posted by nymkfan51
    It has been a mystery to me why so many people are convinced Michelle will crash and burn under COP.
    I believe it's called schadenfreude (pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others).

  9. #9
    Lovin' the Kween ... Now and Forever
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    1,021
    michaelfsfan, I think you may be on to something.

  10. #10
    Tripping on the Podium
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Getting my tiffin' poodle perm at Peaches Beauty Salon during FSU downtime
    Posts
    67
    Personally, I think that the Kwanhaters have wanted to write Michelle off for years, and CoP is their last hope, but if she does well at Worlds, then they will rant and rave about how she was "held up" by her PCS. :sheesh:

  11. #11
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    28,426
    To me, it's about the skating, not the judging system. It's about the skaters, not the judges. If Michelle or anyone else skates a performance worthy of winning under ordinal judging, I would expect that performance to win under point-total judging, too.

    Put simply, if Michelle (or anyone else) skates the best but doesn't win, that's an indictment of the scoring system.

    Mathman

  12. #12
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    194
    [QUOTE=Mathman] We'll know a little more after next week, but I hope that all the nay-sayers on the other boards that you mention are prepared to step up and eat crow if Michelle brings her A game.

    Personally, I think the CoP suits Michelle's style just fine. Rack up the points by landing all your jumps, then coast home on the component scores. Like they say in golf -- "Drive for show, putt for dough."

    As for triple/triples, don't worry, she's still got 'em when she needs 'em. [END QUOTE]

    ITA Mathman!

    Have a blast, Michelle!
    Last edited by LegalGirl82; 03-11-2005 at 11:29 AM. Reason: Reflect end of quote

  13. #13
    Down With It
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    13,554
    Really. I don't get all this doom-and-gloom over MK. Yes, she hasn't competed under the Cop system but a lot of skaters' debut at Cop were successful (think Cohen during 03-04 GP season). I think if mk skates well she'll be up there, no matter what judging system is used. Whether she wins or not just depends on what she brings to the table relative to everybody else.

    And yes, it's easier to make improvements under this new scoring system. However, the system seems to discourage risk-taking that usually either pays off big or nails your grave.

  14. #14
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    821
    To me most of the COP's could be easy for Michelle to master. Her jump technique is solid. She is certainly capable of adding inbetweens to her elements. She at one time had more than anyother skater. Her footwork is amazing. Some say it does need some tweaking. She is certainly capable of a level 3 spiral. Her only majior obstacle is spins. To bad Gustav Lussi is no longer alive.

  15. #15
    Medalist
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    84
    MK was never known for her spins, the only spins that I was her Crescent moon layback. However, she has improved her spin combinations by trying out new things like the Corkscrew sit spin and several change of edge on her spins ala Marshalls. She actually has it in her to do COE. The only spin that the judges will punish her for is her layback. I think she'll need a major overhaul on this. She's fine in attaining level 2 because there isn't much difference on this and from level 2 to level 3 is very subjective. She just need to rack as much GOEs.

    She doesn't need harder entrance to ALL her jumps, just some and the rest simple footwork will do, main thing is she land all her jumps, fully rotated. Her spiral is a thing of beauty, it's the last spiral that will need more work. Then again the rules on how long a skater is suppose to hold the spiral is still blurry. I don't know if she has added more MITF instead of the crossover. I guess we'll have to see at Worlds. But her basking skating skills is one of the best out there. Her stroking is awesome and she doesn't screak her blades so she'll get good points on that.

    Now the million dollar question is "will she have a 3/3?" Having a 3/3 is not important because not everyone is landing it fairly consistently and if they do land it, it is downgraded. Or if they do land the 3/3, chances are the rest of the jumps may suffer. It really depends on who and what they can bring to the table. But having a 3/3 is also necessary to give Michelle an edge, even if it's not much of a point. In the judges eyes that proves to them, she's willing to "up the ante", which to me is overrated anyway, considering that no one is landing 3/3 consistently, quad or 3 axel including in the men's division.

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Article on the Marshall's Challenge
    By R.D. in forum 2004-05 Figure Skating archives
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: 04-20-2005, 10:01 AM
  2. Now that you've seen it
    By ChiSk8Fan in forum 2004-05 Figure Skating archives
    Replies: 44
    Last Post: 03-06-2005, 09:51 AM
  3. Amazing the stupid 6.0 system has survived for a century
    By apache88 in forum 2003-04 Figure Skating archives
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-30-2004, 03:48 PM
  4. Suggested Revisions to 6.0 System Submitted by Austrailia
    By IndieBoi in forum 2003-04 Figure Skating archives
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 01-05-2004, 10:35 AM
  5. Ladies Free Skate and Results + GPF Finalists
    By IceCastles1814 in forum 2003-04 Figure Skating archives
    Replies: 82
    Last Post: 12-20-2003, 09:51 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •