Ladies - Short Program - Comments

Doggygirl · Mar 18, 2005

...for your continued reports. For anyone checking in who subscribed to www.russiantvonline.com the feed just started. I assume it will be live, so missed the first group. I'm disappointed - I've heard so much how what a lovely skater Fleur is just without jumps. I was sure hoping to see her. NEVER will see her on US TV...

Go team USA!

DG

Doggygirl · Mar 18, 2005

Rosaleen...

Just a quick note of thanks for including the non-jump element levels. That's very helpful since I certainly can't identify those on my own!!

Thanks,
DG

Doggygirl · Mar 18, 2005

WTG Joannie!!

What a great start to the toughest second to last warmup group I've ever seen!!!

DG

diver chick · Mar 18, 2005

I have to say, I didn't enjoy Michelle's program as much as I was expecting to. I thought the phasing of some of the choreography with the music seemed a bit off and I couldn't really get into it. For the first time ever I felt Michelle was using the music as background and not really skating to it

Doggygirl · Mar 18, 2005

Waaaa!!

The Russian TV feed cut off right before Shiz skated. So I didn't get to see Shiz or MK or Poykio. So I'm sort of going by Rosaleen's notes. From the sound of things, I'm a little surprised that Poykio went ahead of Rochette. Any thoughts on that from those of you who saw them both skate?

Also, I'm glad MK is back in the hunt. I suspect she will end up in the final warm up group. Then we all cross our fingers for Bolero Two.

Grgranny · Mar 18, 2005

When was this aired? Yesterday morning, all I got was some kind of forum on steroids. Disgusting.

Sk8n Mama · Mar 18, 2005

Joannie's PCS were very low-not sure if that's due to an early skate or what. I'm reminded of Jeff Buttle's lower PCS in the SP after and early skate. She skated as well as she possibly could have. It was beautiful from start to finish with no obvious flaws to me (little travel on the LB, travel on LB in combo). The triple flip was :love:

I'll have to wait to see the others. I think, CoP or not, order of skate still counts a lot for marks. As Eurosport said, "if she were in the final group, I think she'd be scoring much higher than that."

How does Sluty end up first in the SP after she doubles on the combo????

Anyone else think they need to re-vamp the spin scoring for Torino (ie: Bielmanns do not equal automatic L-3?!)

cianni · Mar 18, 2005

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Because shes Slute and she will be GIVEN the Gold. I am for her getting the Gold IF she deserves it but so far she doesnt. Her hard core fans on other boards are saying her marks were ridiculous. Why have a long program as no one else can win. Not liking COP. The cheating saga goes on.

Doggygirl · Mar 18, 2005

Grgranny said:
When was this aired? Yesterday morning, all I got was some kind of forum on steroids. Disgusting.

There was live coverage from about the 3rd or 4th skater right up until Shiz. I was SO

that I accidentally ranted about it on Rosaleen's thread when I meant to rant on this one!! I'm much calmer now, and at least glad to have seen some skaters that we will NEVER see in the US.

I'm sort of hoping someone who can read Russian might help us out by going to www.russiantvonline.com and seeing if they can figure out any updated schedule information for the rest of the day and tomorrow. They cover some things live, and some by tape delay. The schedule that Braulio so kindly figured out on FSU seems like it might have changed a bit. If someone is able to help with that, MANY thanks!!

DG

RealtorGal · Mar 18, 2005

I see that Sasha has a 1 pt. deduction. I wonder why. I haven't seen the programs so I cannot comment on fairness. I'm interested to see for myself how Irina managed to outscore Sasha in presentation marks.

lavender · Mar 18, 2005

We will never know why Irina scores Mk and SC in pres marks. Such blatant cheating.

RealtorGal · Mar 18, 2005

lavender said:
We will never know why Irina scores Mk and SC in pres marks. Such blatant cheating.

Unless you've seen the programs and know the judging system inside and out, that's perhaps going a bit too far to use the word "cheating."

Doggygirl · Mar 18, 2005

lavender said:
We will never know why Irina scores Mk and SC in pres marks. Such blatant cheating.

I would love someday to hear an actual judges critique regarding PCS for a variety of the top skaters. While the complaint that Irina is overscored on PCS has been non-stop all season, her PCS score have been very consistent across competitions. So if it's a Vast East Wing Conspiracy, then all the ISU judges are in on it. I'm not even questioning the scores themselves, but just saying I would love to hear from an actual judge or two what it is that justifies the scoring in PCS generally in their eyes. Hopefully the skaters get more specific feedback on what they need to do better to raise their scores. The criteria for the various PCS marks seem overly complicated. The TES side seems much more straight forward.

DG

gracefulswan · Mar 18, 2005

just curious.. how much did they take off of irina's botched combo. jump? haven't heard. they seem to quickly mark off every little error from the other skaters. irina can win tomorrow with 2 popped jumps or falls against a perfect cohen. they will hammer kwan again i fear for her long. she risks being off the podium completely. i hope she comes out like gang busters. should sasha just throw in the towel? she won't win with perfection against even a flawed irina. i used to think there was some hope in the new system..now, there is none. it's the judges that are the problem.. not any system.. danilenko for example, should not even be allowed to set foot into a skating arena again..let alone judge in high level competitions! god, this is laughable.

Sk8n Mama · Mar 18, 2005

No, Kwan and Cohen should go to the LP and skate their a$$es off and let the judges still have Irina win so that the CoP is a complete mockery going into the Olympics and the ISU gets thousands of "wuz robbed" e-mails.

I like Sluty but this sounds like out-an-out robbery!

Doggygirl · Mar 18, 2005

gracefulswan said:
just curious.. how much did they take off of irina's botched combo. jump? .

I can't wait to see the PDF score sheets. Still wishing those would get posted after each segment of the event, rather than after the "fat lady sings" so to speak.

I'm still a student of COP. But I too was curious on what the penalty SHOULD be for the combo. I think someone posted a long time ago that a combo is still a combo, even with that turn in between so long as the free foot doesn't come down on the ice. I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that. I didn't see Irina's skate, but Rosaleen or someone else said the free foot didn't come down. Assuming I've got that stuff right...

According to the ISU rules, I think that turn in between the jumps would be considered a "major error" on the transition between jumps in the combo. Assuming all the other phases were OK, that would require a -2 GOE. I'm not sure if the - GOE would apply to both jumps, just the first, or just the second. If it applied to both jumps, the "penalty" in negative GOE would be around 2.5 points if I'm understanding the ISU rules correctly.

Irinas SP TES was 2 points below her season best of 64.5 which was at GPF. So MAYBE this makes sense. Maybe.

DG

rain · Mar 18, 2005

I was VERY disappointed but not surprised to see Slutskaya once again held up in the short program despite an obvious error and a very well-skated portion of the contest. They are handing her this one no matter how she or anyone else skates. Looks like Rochette got robbed in the short. Also disappointing. Oh well, I guess all I can hope is this pisses her off and she skates the hell out of her LP and everyone knows she should have finished higher.

STL_Blues_fan · Mar 18, 2005

Doggygirl said:
There was live coverage from about the 3rd or 4th skater right up until Shiz. I was SO that I accidentally ranted about it on Rosaleen's thread when I meant to rant on this one!! I'm much calmer now, and at least glad to have seen some skaters that we will NEVER see in the US.

I'm sort of hoping someone who can read Russian might help us out by going to www.russiantvonline.com and seeing if they can figure out any updated schedule information for the rest of the day and tomorrow. They cover some things live, and some by tape delay. The schedule that Braulio so kindly figured out on FSU seems like it might have changed a bit. If someone is able to help with that, MANY thanks!!

DG

The Ice dancing should start at 21:05 (that would be 9:05 pm = 1:05 pm East Coast time). The schedule does not seem to be up for Sat yet. But here's a clue for your guys:

Фигурное катание = figure skating. Watch out for these 2 words.

Yana

kyla2 · Mar 18, 2005

Sounds like unless Irina has a disasterous skate the judges are going to hand it to her. I had hoped for better from them but I can see I am mistaken. They clearly have an agenda and are holding her up. I want Irina to win if she deserves it. but not if she doesn't. That was the whole point of CoP. I don't like the direction in which figure skating is going.

RealtorGal · Mar 18, 2005

kyla2 said:
They clearly have an agenda and are holding her up. I want Irina to win if she deserves it. but not if she doesn't.

What exactly would that agenda be? What purpose will be served by handing a title to someone who has not earned it? Not trying to be snide--just curious.

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