View Poll Results: Should the courts intervene to go against Michael Shivo's wishes?

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    Terri Shciavo

    Terri Shivo case has been in the news now for a long time. What do you think?
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    I think the courts should stay out of it. She has been brain dead for 15yrs if she hasn't improved by now I doubt she ever will. I know her family thinks she will improve but where do you draw the line. How long do you keep the feeding tube in her? I know I would not want to live (if you call it that) like that for very long. I say let her rest in peace.

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    ITA. The media has been portraying Michael Shiavo as a monster, but he did everything he could to help Terry out. He took her to best specialists, became a nurse to care for her, but the woman is brain dead. She is not going to get better. If anything, steam cell research which may help to individuals such as Terry is being shut down by the same people who insist on keeping her in a veg state. I can't blame her husband for having a family either..it's been a long time, why should he deny deprive himself of children if wants them?

    I would not want to be kept alive artificially. It's better to die in dignity.

    Yana

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    *important Message*

    Take the time to develop a Will or (better IMO) a Trust for yourself or your immediate family. Clearly articulate your wishes for yourself in your Will / Trust should you ever end up in Terri's position. Hearing about this situation several years ago, and thinking about the PAIN this has caused Terri's husband, family and everyone around her, my hubby and I have clearly articulated our wishes legally.

    That's one thing we can all do to avoid this kind of heart break in our own families.

    That being said, I think the federal government getting involved is tragic. Just the red tape involved means this is likely to go on and on, when it's already gone on and on. What a horrible and painful thing for this family. If Terri's own wishes had been made legally clear, (no fault to her) some of this could be avoided. So the lesson for all of us is...let's make our own wishes in this area legally clear while we are able to.

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    Persistent vegetative state does not equal brain dead. Her brain stem is intact. I think this federal judge may walk a slow code, take his sweet time in his decision, she will die in the mean time, so his ruling will be moot
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    let's just kill all of this men women and children who are similar in capacity... beings in complete cntrol of themselves are the only ones who should live anyway.
    /sarcasim

    The only one who knew that she wanted to die was her cheating hubby... so hmmmmmmmm maybe he isn't as trust worthy as the media believes... if he wants to "get rid" of her and get married again then why doesn't he do it? If it's the issue of being divorced have the courts figure out a solution, let her parents take care of her expenses... I guess after all this time he might still want "what's best" but there's been speculation from day one about how she ended up in the state that she's in.


    Either way, having someone starve to death is not the humane way to go. For crying out loud men and women on death row don't have it that hard!

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    Toni, I agree the starving to death part isn't the best way to let someone die. I don't know what would be a better option, though. I don't think Congress should get involved. They subpoened Terri herself. Are they nuts?

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    Ita...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle
    let's just kill all of this men women and children who are similar in capacity... beings in complete cntrol of themselves are the only ones who should live anyway.
    /sarcasim

    The only one who knew that she wanted to die was her cheating hubby... so hmmmmmmmm maybe he isn't as trust worthy as the media believes... if he wants to "get rid" of her and get married again then why doesn't he do it? If it's the issue of being divorced have the courts figure out a solution, let her parents take care of her expenses... I guess after all this time he might still want "what's best" but there's been speculation from day one about how she ended up in the state that she's in.


    Either way, having someone starve to death is not the humane way to go. For crying out loud men and women on death row don't have it that hard!
    This whole situation is tragic. All I am suggesting is that ALL of us who a fortunate enough to have our full faculties, at least for today should make our wishes clear in a legal way, and avoid the possibility that any of our loved ones end up in a mess like this, where our own wishes are so unclear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle
    let's just kill all of this men women and children who are similar in capacity... beings in complete cntrol of themselves are the only ones who should live anyway.
    /sarcasim

    The only one who knew that she wanted to die was her cheating hubby... so hmmmmmmmm maybe he isn't as trust worthy as the media believes... if he wants to "get rid" of her and get married again then why doesn't he do it? If it's the issue of being divorced have the courts figure out a solution, let her parents take care of her expenses... I guess after all this time he might still want "what's best" but there's been speculation from day one about how she ended up in the state that she's in.


    Either way, having someone starve to death is not the humane way to go. For crying out loud men and women on death row don't have it that hard!

    Why would you call him a cheating husband? He doesn't want to divorce her b/c he wants to preserve her wishes, which he would not be able to were they to divorce. Is there any evidence that he cheated on her while they had a real marriage? I certainly wouldn't mind if my husband did what Michael did, if (G-d forbid!) I was in that situation. But then my parents are not religious fanatics so there wouldn't be a fight for 15 years that's for sure.

    She ended up in "this state" as a result of potassium imbalance, which was brought in by bullimia. So if you are trying to imply that her husband was behind it, that is just evil.

    Here's a look at Michael Shiavo, something you won't get to hear or see in the media which portrays him as snything but a caring husband:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Schiavo...=590336&page=1

    Here's a report on what happens when the life support is removed:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Schiavo...=531907&page=1

    Lastly, her life is not viable unless supported by machines. That is not a normal life, sorry.

    Yana

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    I think the party of "small government" and "fiscal responsibility" are showing how completely and utterly out of control they really are on both fronts.

    Hypocrisy is rampant when they can preach about the "sanctity of marriage" and then ignore the husband completely in this!!

    Spare me the "sanctity of life" sermons while killing thousands all around the world while you're at it, Dubya!

    This is not their business. This is not my business. It's a private family matter of tragic magnitude.

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    Amen Aloft !

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    It comes down to quality of life. How can someone who is brain dead, have anything even close to quality? Really she is gone already. Her husband, wants to do the humane thing and let her rest in peace. He should be given the right to make the decision.

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    This case has been having me very upset. I fear the government that so interferes with our lives. What's next? What other area of personal life will the government get its paws into? Conservatives keep talking about keeping government out of where it doesn't belong; but I'd much rather have it interfere with my bank account than my bedroom... or worse yet my deathbed!

    There is no chance that this woman would ever "get better", no matter what therapy she gets. None what so ever. And, no matter what her father says, she does NOT respond to anything. I know I would not want to exist like that. Neither alive nor dead. As to her husband... he waited for eight years before deciding to disconnect the tube. 8 years! I'd say that doesn't quite jive with the "selfish monster" image.

    Oh, and by the way, don't get me started on the Majority Leader (the #3 man in the country!) using words such as "monster" (in regards to Michael Schiavo) and "evil" (in regards to his lawyer Fello). What I find perhaps most infuriating are the Democrats who are too afraid to speak up. In times when one party so dominates the system as GOP does today, it's the opposition's job to be vocal about "the other side". Not doing this IMO undermines the whole republican (with a small r) priciple. I can't stand the Dems just tucking their tails. The only bright spot for me is that I am very proud of my Congressman, Barney Frank, who led whatever opposition he could muster with the following statement, "I have no right to make that decision and I have no information for it. Separation of powers. When they wrote the Constitution, they weren't kidding around."

    I appologize for being so emotional about this case, it just has me really upset.

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    Me too, Ptichka. Sad and frightening on may levels.

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    I'm sort of on the fence on this one. I think I would have to know Terri (both before and after) to be able to decide something like that and even then I don't know that I'd be able to make that decision. I don't think her husband is evil and I don't think her family is evil. I think they both want what's best for her, but can't come to an agreement over what that is.

    What I think is tragic though is that people on both sides are making her into their poster child and really using her for their own agendas and politics. People who don't know her at all or have never seen her in person are speaking for her (again, both sides of the issue). If you ask me both sides are "playing God".

    This is why I'm on the fence on this one. As a Christian I wonder.. is it "playing God" to remove her feeding tube and know that she will eventually die? Is it "playing God" to keep feeding her through tubes and keeping her alive in a vegetative state instead of allowing her to die naturally? Unfortunately, we don't know Terri's wishes and we don't really know God's plan either. I'm just sick of people using her and putting her on the front pages, etc.

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