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    Ladies, Please Leave the Quad to the Men

    I hope the ladies don't get Quad fever again. All they will end up doing is possibly injuring themselves and the majority won't be able to achieve it anyway. Leave the Quad jump to the men. We already have a couple of ladies landing a triple axle. Frankly, speaking, that is enough. Ladies, please concentrate on what you do best - spins, spirals and footwork. The quad is not necessary.

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    boring.

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    I can't see this being a problem, really. Seeing as the men don't even need quads so much anymore, or even a triple axel, at times.

    Anyway, even Miki's stopped trying the quad these days - who exactly are you worried about?

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    I think that is a decision of the skater. However, it is interesting to note that Sasha Cohen did not need a 3x3 to earn a silver medal nor to Jeffrey Buttle need a quad to earn his silver medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    I think that is a decision of the skater. However, it is interesting to note that Sasha Cohen did not need a 3x3 to earn a silver medal nor to Jeffrey Buttle need a quad to earn his silver medal.

    Joe
    But I think the key word is "silver."

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    Why so absolute?

    I believe that if there is a talented woman who has a powerful, clean, mastered quad, she should include it in her program.

    Why leave it to the men if the woman has the talent and ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiSk8Fan
    I believe that if there is a talented woman who has a powerful, clean, mastered quad, she should include it in her program.

    Why leave it to the men if the woman has the talent and ability?

    The word Injury comes to mind. How many men have we seen side lined as a result of the quad? Sure there probably is a lady out there who may have the quad soon, but really is it worth it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater
    The word Injury comes to mind. How many men have we seen side lined as a result of the quad? Sure there probably is a lady out there who may have the quad soon, but really is it worth it?

    of course it is worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ks777
    of course it is worth it.
    I maybe (!) could accept that if you would be talking about yourself......

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdnuva
    I maybe (!) could accept that if you would be talking about yourself......
    To me, that's the problem in a nutshell. A 30 year old football player decides to take steroids and bulk up to 350 pounds, thus compromising both the length and the quality of his life later on, but landing a $20 million dollar contract. OK, that's his choice. Who am I to say it is the wrong one?

    But these skaters are for the most part teenagers or younger who lack the perspective of life experience, and whose decisions are guided by parents, coaches and other adults.

    To me, there is an element in all this of the old Roman gladiators. Go out there and kill yourself for my entertainment; here's a laurel wreath for your effort. Except these are children. Someone should be looking out for them.

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    I believe it is a decision for the skater. If she wants to challenge herself- just like Midori Ito did when she performed triple axels- why should she be discouraged. If the quads are to be discouraged for the ladies, that should apply to the men also. The ladies were traditionally expected to be pretty ballerinas on ice, while the men did the athletic moves. Now we see more ladies doing difficult jumps and more men using flexibility and artistry, and that is OK. Society has changed. If a lady gets injured while practising a quad, it is her choice and there should not be a rule about it.

    That said- going tangential- the backflip is illegal in competitions. Is this due to the possibility of injury or is it because it is rarely landed on one foot (AFAIK only Surya has landed it on one foot).

    I do believe athletes want to challenge themselves in different ways. Those who are more athletically inclined/gifted will want to try the difficult jumps and should not be discouraged, particularly based on their gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    But these skaters are for the most part teenagers or younger who lack the perspective of life experience, and whose decisions are guided by parents, coaches and other adults.

    To me, there is an element in all this of the old Roman gladiators. Go out there and kill yourself for my entertainment; here's a laurel wreath for your effort. Except these are children. Someone should be looking out for them.

    JMO.

    Mathman

    I think that the quad is not the cause of injuries. I mean, an athlete of this level is very likely doing like 40 or 50 triple jumps a day, I don't think one extra rotation causes a problem. The real problem IMO is when they have a not-appropiate trainning regime, where they abuse their body with an overload of training. That's what the coaches and skaters have to work on, a proper training regime, IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiSk8Fan
    I believe that if there is a talented woman who has a powerful, clean, mastered quad, she should include it in her program.

    Why leave it to the men if the woman has the talent and ability?

    Yeah, & take a look at the men who can do quads until he cows come home in their sleep. 1 word INJURIES. Alexei early retirement do to hip injuries, plushkeno had to withdraw due to injuries( the many that he has had in the past 3 years) Timmie the Quad king, With all his injuries he has had over the past 2 years. Now, he is all over the place with everything.

    The females who can land quads that is very well & good. But, maybe working on all that other stuff might be better. Points is the name of the game & all that little stuff in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater
    The word Injury comes to mind. How many men have we seen side lined as a result of the quad? Sure there probably is a lady out there who may have the quad soon, but really is it worth it?

    I didn't even get to read you post but, I agree. See how quickly, people forgot about Tara L. She & her team were so intent of winning & beating team mates. That they pretty much ruined what could have been a great skating career. She will go into the hall a fame but, nothing more than a footnote.

    Yeah, she won Nationals, worlds,& the olympics. But, did not stick around to defend or reinforce her titles. & she couldn't even hand the proffesional tours to much. Her injuires were so bad that she even had to retire from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikaru
    I think that the quad is not the cause of injuries. I mean, an athlete of this level is very likely doing like 40 or 50 triple jumps a day, I don't think one extra rotation causes a problem. The real problem IMO is when they have a not-appropiate trainning regime, where they abuse their body with an overload of training. That's what the coaches and skaters have to work on, a proper training regime, IMO




    See the list above. It has been well documented that the years training does take it's toll. Jaring the & jamming the bones is not good, muscles, back, etc. In all my years of watching skating. I have not seen so many injuries like in the past 2.5 years. With so many more jumps & jump combos being done in a program nowadays. It doesn't help

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