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The New Judging System
* The move to a new judging system is coming and the ISU has announced that it will be implemented at the Senior Grand Prix level in the 2003-2004 season.
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Oh great, now skating will move in the same direction as gymnastics, since skating will use the same element-point system. The most comparable event in gymnastics to skating is the floor exercise, since it's the only one that's set to music. Ever see the floor exercises now? They look more like military drills than anything resembling lyrical dancing. I don't know for sure the same will happen to skating, but it probaly will.
Let me go into more details in my prediction: Since individual elements will have difficulty points, jumps having the most, skaters will be encouraged to pile on things element by element rather than for the purposes of fitting the music. I don't know about you, but artistry is what I love about skating. Artistry is a more or less intangible thing that you can never have a mathematical scoring system for. I'm sure the new system will have some room for that, but why go for musicality and not be sure there's a score reward, when a skater can just go for one big jump after another and be sure of the bonus?
As skating becomes more technical and martial, interest in it will dwindle just like it did for gymnastics. Michelle Kwan's imminent retirement (it's a matter of time) will only exarcerbate the growing apathy. I predict the end of skating as one of the most watched sports in America around 2004-2005.
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No matter what, I will always watch skating and even keep skating into my old age. "I Wish I Had A River I Could Skate Away On..." (Joni Mitchell).
Ladskater
Fetal - Your description of the floor work in Gymnastics is priceless. I don't know how those kids could get into 'Cirque du Soleil'?
Joe
The new gymanstics scoring system failed so badly they are now trying to use a newer scoring system where "artistic moves" are required elements and if they are not done to the judge's satisfaction there is a deduction -- but only on bar and beams for some stupid reason. This is also why the Romanians are suddenly winning world championships over the Russians - the Russian gymnasts are far more elegant and take greater risks (doing extremely difficult moves that are also unique and artistic) but they are not rewarded and the Romanians stick to the regime of being pure technical and consistent. That's fine, but boring.<img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif" />
Since the perfect 10 has gone back to being pretty much an impossible feat, gymnastics has gone downhill. I predict the same will be true for Figure Skating. Woe is I!
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I am confused about this. Is the non-6.0 scoring system for ISU events only? That is, will the US Nationals use the traditional 6.0 scoring system?
as far as I know. As of this coming US Nationals they are sticking with accountable judging, none of the anonymous, ordinal-less manure!
Fetal thanks for the emoticon.
Oh, my. If skating goes the way of the Romanian gymnastics, fans will flee! They all move like automatons through their routines, create routines based on the code of points, show no emotion, and win because they are consistent. There is no flare at all, and it's boring!
Please, say it ain't so! Grrr...
Sorry. I did not make it clear in my question. Since the new non-6.0 soring sysytem will go into effect next season. I am curious to know whether the 2004 US Nationals will use the traditional 6.0 system.
If a US skater builds a program around the non-6.0 system for ISU events, but comes Nationals, the program will be judged using a different system (6.0). I wonder how will this affect the skater and the program.
Well, what do you expect from Speedy? If he could turn figure skating into speed skating, he would.
Perfect description of gymnastics floor routines now being like military drills, Fetal. Remember Lilia Podkokayeva, the 1995 World and 1996 Olympic all-around gymanstics champ? Her floor routines were among the last of great artistic gymnastics. ITA with everyone about how the point system will prompt the skaters to load their programs with point-getting moves. They will have no choice. They'd be stupid not to. Fine to try to increase the quantifiable elements for the judges, but I don't think it's going to make the judging anymore objective or "fair" than it is now. Judges who want to see certain skaters do well will find ways go fudge points.
IMO it's the tension between the artistic and sports elements of figure skating that make it so compelling to watch. The trick is trying to find the right balance between the two. Unfortunately, none of the powers that be at the ISU have the insight or foresight to learn from the mistakes made by gymnastics, which had a situation very similar to figure skating. I think the ISU can't see the skating for the jumps.
As for US Nationals: I was under the impression that national competitions were supposed to go by whatever the ISU decided for international competitions if they wanted their skaters to qualify for Worlds? It was just my impression and I could be way off. Does anybody know what the deal is?
Barfing Rgirl
PS As to how today's gymnasts get into Cirque du Soleil, it's not necessarily the World and Olympic medalists who make the best performers for a situation like Cirque. Once you get to the elite level, say the top 2%, they can all do phenomenal moves. It's the ones who can make the transition to making magic who can continue in a performing situation rather than those who are limited to execution drills.
Remember the good old days. They were good. Old. Days. :D
I am pretty sure that the USFSA is already not sticking the ISU way by using majority ordinals to win vs. OBO. It appears that National federations have some choice in how they run their own competitions. Canadian Nationals uses qualifying to prep skaters for Worlds and it's qualifying round. USFSA does not. I believe China added an additional artistic program to the normal short program & long program in their Nationals to encourage artistic growth in their skaters. A few years ago Chen Lu won China's Nationals inspite of her being inelegible for ISU competitions, I believe the ISU protested but couldn't do anything to punish China for it. We will just have to keep our eyes pealed for news from the USFSA on what their next move will be regarding using the non-6.0 code of points scoring system at coming USFSA senior level events.
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Oh, come on guys. If we want figure skating to be a sport, it should be quantifiable. It might become more athletic and less artistic, but that's what a sport is supposed to be. Otherwise, figure skating should be an art. With art, everyone has their own preference and that is ok, but there are no medals either.
Besides, gymnastics is not all that bad, I like the new system. The artistry is really a bit impacted only in the women's floor and possibly beam exercises. Men were never really artistic. And now with this system you can see medal winners from all kinds of countries, not just the "powers to be". Actually, gymnastics might be gaining popularity in many other countries as we speak. And figure skating has been loosing popularity for a long time now, because it's been only a few select countries that have been battling for power, and the rest didn't even have a fair chance...
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