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    Torino, Italy, 2006 What if.....?????

    Let's say all of the top four competitors in each field have had their passports revoked, and they can't go to Italy. Who do you think would REALLY step up to the plate, and who would win the top three medals? Who do you think would have the skate of their lives? Sort of like Peggy Fleming did in the 60's.

    People who couldn't go would be
    Sasha, Irina, Michelle, and Shizuka

    Johnny, Evgeny, Michael W., and Goebel

    Totmianina & Marinin, Shen & Zhou, Petrova & Tikhonov, and Pang & Tong

    Albena D. & Maxim S., Belbin & Agosto, Navka & Kostamarov, and Grushina & Goncharov.

    These are my opinions of the top 4 skaters, yours are prob different, but if you could really humor me, that'd be great!

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    Ladies: Fumie, Miki Ando, Elena Sokolova
    Men; (you really didn't revoke the top 4 passports b/c Stephane would still be competing)- Klimkin, Lambiel, Sandhu

    Dance: Denko & Stayivski , Delobel & Shoenfelder, C&S

    Pairs: Obertas & Slavnov, Zhangs, and that German pair (if they can go), otherwise Inoue and Baldwin

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    Ladies
    Fumie
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    Sokolova

    Men
    I'll play along, but come on - you think 3 Americans are in the top 4, and you don't even include the current bronze medalist!
    Lambiel
    Buttle
    Joubert

    Dance
    Delobel & Schoenfelder
    Chait & Sakhnovsky
    Domnina Shabalin (without N&K, a Russian team woud need to rise through the ranks fast)

    Pairs
    Obertas & Slavnov
    Zhang & Zhang
    Savchenko & Szokolwy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka
    Ladies

    Dance

    Domnina Shabalin (without N&K, a Russian team woud need to rise through the ranks fast)
    How much you want to bet that without N&K, that team will rise rapidly through the ranks? Russians have quite a bit of pull, after all N&K ascended very quickly after Lobacheva and Averbukh retired.

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    Maybe it might be true that the Russian's have to have a team on top but to be fair from all that I've read about Domnina/Shabalin they are very good and after the expected retirements post 2006 Worlds they will be one of the top teams leading up to 2010. There are some who like them better than N&K.

    Now of course thanks to the wonderful network programmers in the U.S. I have yet to see D&S for myself.

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    Michael Weiss and Tim Goebel among the top four male competitors in the World? One that didn't make the World team this year, one who finished a dismal 10th?

    Okay then....

    ladies: How about Kostner, who actually WON the bronze at Worlds this year? How about Ando, Seguri, Poykio, Sokolova,Volchkova, Sebestyn....

    Men's is a cakewalk. Let's look at the top 3 currently in the world, who you don't seem to include in your top 4. Then add Joubert, Dambier, Klimkin, Takahashi, Sandhu, Li, Griazev, etc, etc

    Pairs, the most obvious to succeed with those on your list missing would be Zhang and Zhang. Also, include Obertas/Slavnov and the German "S/S" couple who's names I can't remember or spell. The sad thing is, even with the top four out, it would not be likely a U.S. team could capitalize.

    Dance, also obvious, Delobel and Shoenfelder would kick butt! Then you would also have Domnina/Shabalin (sp?), Kerrs, Oconner and Odoherty, Chait and Sakhnovsky and others who I am spacing on right now.

    Kasey

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    Ok...I am game to play what if, but I really need to change the players who's passports have been revoked:

    Revoked Ladies:
    Sasha, Irina, Michelle, and Shizuka

    My picks for top 3, no particular order:
    Joannie Rochette, Carolina Kostner, Miki Ando

    Revoked Men:
    Johnnie, Evgeny, Stephane, Buttle

    My picks for top 3, no particular order:
    Sandhu, Joubert, and Li

    Revoked Pairs:
    Totmianina & Marinin, Shen & Zhou, Petrova & Tikhonov, and Pang & Tong

    My picks for top 3, no particular order:
    Zhang & Zhang, Wakamatsu and Fecteau (if the citizenship comes in time), and Obertas and Slavnov

    Revoked Dance:
    Belbin/Agosto, Navkov/Kostamarov, and Grushina/Goncharov

    My picks for top 3, no particular order:
    Chait/Sakhnovski, Dubreil/Lauzon, Virtue/Moir ( I can dream!)

    Canuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzarinaAnya
    Let's say all of the top four competitors in each field have had their passports revoked, and they can't go to Italy. Who do you think would REALLY step up to the plate, and who would win the top three medals? Who do you think would have the skate of their lives? Sort of like Peggy Fleming did in the 60's.
    Whoa....Goebel and Weiss are NOT among the top four in the world at this point. Weiss did not even qualify for the US World Team, and Goebel, who competed at Worlds, finished a distant 10th.

    As for Peggy Fleming -- she came to the fore, perhaps a bit prematurely, and won the first of five successive US titles inn 1964 at the age of 15 due to the loss of the entire US World Team in the tragic plane crash in 1961. Her rise had nothing to do with competitors' passports being revoked.

    Fleming was the two-time World champion and five-time US champion by the time the 1968 Winter Olympics rolled around. Fleming was the odds-on favorite to win the Olympic gold medal, and she did just that. A month later, she won her third World title.

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    SkateFan4Life, I think Anya ment exactly Peggy rising to the occasion when the whole US team died in the accident. However, imagining anything like that happening again is too horrific; passports being revoked is far more benign.

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    Well, I'll do this 2 ways: First eliminating who the ISU rankings consider to be the top 4 skaters, and then by my own picks.

    CAN'T GO (World Rankings)
    Men: Evgeni Plushenko, Jeffrey Buttle, Emanuel Sandhu, Brian Joubert
    Ladies: Shizuka Arakawa, Miki Ando, Fumie Suguri, Irina Slutskaya
    Pairs: Petrova/Tikhonov, Pang/Tong, Zhang/Zhang, Obertas/Slavnov
    Dance: Navka/Kostomarov, Denkova/Staviski, Belbin/Agosto, Delobel/Schoenfelder

    OLYMPICS RESULTS
    Men
    1. Stephane Lambiel (breaking the streak of current world champs not winning)
    2. Johnny Weir (even though I don't like the guy)
    3. Chenjiang Li

    Ladies:
    1. Sasha Cohen
    2. Michelle Kwan
    3. Carolina Kostner

    Pairs:
    1. Shen/Zhao
    2. Totmianina/Marinin
    3. The German Team (can't remember their names)

    Dance:
    1. Grushina/Goncharov
    2. Dubreil/Lauzon
    3. Chait/Sakhnovski

    ~~~
    CAN'T GO (MY top 4)
    Men: Evgeni Plushenko, Brian Joubert, Stephane Lambiel, Johnny Weir
    Ladies: Irina Slutskaya, Sasha Cohen, Michelle Kwan, Shizuka Arakawa
    Pairs: Shen/Zhao, Totmianina/Marinin, Petrova/Tikhonov, Pang/Tong
    Dance: Navka/Kostomarov, Belbin/Agosto, Denkova/Staviski, Delobel/Schoenfelder

    OLYMPICS RESULTS
    Men
    1. Emanuel Sandhu (I seriously think he'll be brilliant in Torino)
    2. Jeff Buttle
    3. Chenjiang Li

    Ladies
    1. Carolina Kostner
    2. Miki Ando
    3. Joannie Rochette

    Pairs
    1. Zhang/Zhang
    2. The German Team
    3. Obertas/Slavnov

    Dance
    1. Grushina/Goncharov
    2. Dubreil/Lauzon
    3. Chait/Sakhnovski

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasey
    ladies: How about Kostner, who actually WON the bronze at Worlds this year?

    Kasey
    Well, if Kostner's passport was revoked- she'd be home anyway. She wouldn't need a passport for Torino!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cygnus
    Well, if Kostner's passport was revoked- she'd be home anyway. She wouldn't need a passport for Torino!
    Actually, following that logic, we'd need to exclude all other citizens of Shengen signatories - Joubert, Delobel & Schoenfelder... actually that's it

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    Quote Originally Posted by cygnus
    Well, if Kostner's passport was revoked- she'd be home anyway. She wouldn't need a passport for Torino!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cygnus
    Well, if Kostner's passport was revoked- she'd be home anyway. She wouldn't need a passport for Torino!

    Yep, ya got me there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFan4Life
    Whoa....Goebel and Weiss are NOT among the top four in the world at this point. Weiss did not even qualify for the US World Team, and Goebel, who competed at Worlds, finished a distant 10th.

    As for Peggy Fleming -- she came to the fore, perhaps a bit prematurely, and won the first of five successive US titles inn 1964 at the age of 15 due to the loss of the entire US World Team in the tragic plane crash in 1961. Her rise had nothing to do with competitors' passports being revoked.

    Fleming was the two-time World champion and five-time US champion by the time the 1968 Winter Olympics rolled around. Fleming was the odds-on favorite to win the Olympic gold medal, and she did just that. A month later, she won her third World title.

    Please, don't take this seriously. I said before that my opininion of the top four probably weren't yours, anyways. I did know about the plane crash. That's why I mentioned Peggy. This "what if" game is just for fun.
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