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    Question How much more difficult is the 'Tano lutz than a regular lutz?

    I was watching the '88 Olympic free again (boy- I remember that broadcast)--and I wondered how much more difficult the arm in air lutz is than the regular version? I can't recall seeing other skaters doing this --though maybe it has that trademark feel for Boitano. I know it is harder because commentators usually say this--but I wondered if the skaters here know how much harder.

    Also-is it my imagination or does he throw up his arms in exhilaration during that final spin? It looks spontaneous and not like part of the regularly scheduled program to me. Very endearing!

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    If you listen carefully, the arms go up right on the beat. I think it must have been an accent to the music.

    Considering how hard a lutz is to begin with, varying the arm positions must have been incredibly difficult. He can't use the arms to help rotate. Plus, with one arm extended out, the revolutions would have been slowed a bit. It's pretty amazing.

    I love that spread eagle!
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    I hate that Tano Lutz. It always looks so stupid to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealtorGal
    I hate that Tano Lutz. It always looks so stupid to me.

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    What a shocking revelation inasmuch as you don't like Brian either. :sheesh:

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    I like the "tano lutz". I would assume It is more difficult to do. I wonder if anyone has done a jump with both arms in the air high above the head.

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    Is it worth more under COP's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 76olympics
    I was watching the '88 Olympic free again (boy- I remember that broadcast)--and I wondered how much more difficult the arm in air lutz is than the regular version? I can't recall seeing other skaters doing this --though maybe it has that trademark feel for Boitano. I know it is harder because commentators usually say this--but I wondered if the skaters here know how much harder.

    Also-is it my imagination or does he throw up his arms in exhilaration during that final spin? It looks spontaneous and not like part of the regularly scheduled program to me. Very endearing!
    It is more difficult because instead of having both arms close to the body, one arm is up in the air, which makes it more difficult to complete the rotations. Boitano was the most consistent with it, and the first one to do this (hence the name 'Tano Lutz). However, a few other skaters have landed it.... Vyacheslav Zagoradniuk (Ukraine), and Ilia Kulik (I have seen him do this just once). There is at least one more, but I can't remember the name right now. Boitano did it the best.

    Irina Slutskaya does the double axel with a 'tano' position, and I think last year she did a triple toe with that position. I don't think a lady has done a tano lutz (triple).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SingAlto
    What a shocking revelation inasmuch as you don't like Brian either. :sheesh:
    I've seen other skaters do it, too, and it looks just as silly and pretentious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01
    There is at least one more, but I can't remember the name right now.
    It's become one of Ryan Jahnke's signature moves in recent years. He once said that when he was learning it he kept hitting himself in the head, but now it is no more difficult for him than a regular lutz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeyora
    Is it worth more under COP's?
    I wonder the same thing

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    In theory, difficult variations are only rewarded if the rest of the jump is a +2. I think that there should be either different jump levels to reward entrances and/or variations or a specific + point bonus for the different types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlkksk8fan
    I wonder if anyone has done a jump with both arms in the air high above the head.
    I can do singles that way, and I have seen doubles done that way. Haven't seen a triple done that way, but then again I only know two people in real life that have consistent triples

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    Quote Originally Posted by 76olympics
    I was watching the '88 Olympic free again (boy- I remember that broadcast)--and I wondered how much more difficult the arm in air lutz is than the regular version?
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    Also-is it my imagination or does he throw up his arms in exhilaration during that final spin? It looks spontaneous and not like part of the regularly scheduled program to me. Very endearing!
    Doing a jump with one arm over the head is more difficult because, like the others have said, it means you can't pull it close to your chest, which makes the rotations more difficult. It also, I imagine, involves slightly different timing, and is a different feel to get used to than the standard arm movements that would be second nature by then. Possibly also has something to do with the fact that it kind of elongates the body - i.e. adds height, which makes any jump more difficult (hence the reason why many successful skaters, particularly ladies, tend to be on the small side). I like it though - Boitano's was excellent. Slutskaya also does this arm movement on her 2axels sometimes, which I think looks great.

    I think it's quite tricky to learn/get used to - a while back I saw a couple of skaters at my rink playing around with them - the guy can land a 3axel, and he was doing a couple of 1axels with the arm over his head. The girl can do 2axels I think, but couldn't really manage the 1axel with the arm.

    Re: the arm movement in Boitano's final spin in Calgary - that's probably my fave moment of that performance!! Maybe the arms raising was choreographed anyway to fit the music, but he did it with such a flourish and with such a joyful look on his face that it's really nice to see! It's the kind of flourish that makes you realise how good the performance was, if you hadn't realised.

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    Thanks for all of the feedback. It makes sense that rotation would be easier with both arms close to the body.

    BTW-the 'tano lutz isn't my favorite move. It isn't even my favorite Boitano move (those would be the death drop and spread eagle. Those are awesome! I think his height (really tall for a skater) adds to the effect on both of those. Also, he can hold the spread eagle for so long with such extension.I


    He isn't my favorite (that would be Paul Wylie, Katia G, Ilia Kulik, G and G and B and S)--but I have a lingering fondness for him because he is about a month younger than me. I really followed his career because of that. And-that was just a breathtaking performance. We were all jumping around the TV.

    Icenut--you caught just what I wanted to say about the arm movement in the spin. The expression on his face is just unforgettable and it makes it look spontaneous even if it wasn't. That would be my favorite moment of that performance too.

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    It's the law of centrifical(sp) force and until they repeal that law we are going to see a lot splat tanos.

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