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  1. #16
    Joesitz
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    The 'La' in Kwan


    C'mon guys. It's not about a diva (which by the way I only associate with opera sopranos - tempermental, bitchy, greedy but sing d i v i n e l y.)

    But the 'la" means the one and only. That is La Kwan.

    Joe

  2. #17
    LADSKATER
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    Re: La Kwan?


    Thanks folks for the response! I am not sure if it really agrees with French grammar usage, but I suppose one could "get away" with it. It might be better to say - Kwan - La Diva or Kwan - La skating star. Okay - I am being a pedant.

    Ladskater

  3. #18
    rgirl181
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    I think the facts are that none of us know how any of the top ladies behave on a regular basis. For any of us to say, "So-and-so behaves well" and "So-and-so is a jerk" is pure speculation based on rumor and 100th-hand anecdotes. IMO, they're all human and no doubt all have their bratty moments--and of course their wonderful behavior probably far outweighs the not-so-wonderful behavior. But so what? Hasn't the person you love most in the world been a royal jerk at times? Do you love the person any less?

    I think there is a difference, however, between someone with a reputation for dropping out of scheduled performances at the last minute and athletes/performers who get tired and cranky and as Red Dog pointed out, just sick of answering the same question ALL THE TIME! All of the top ladies do tours and exhibitions under difficult circumstances and in that regard, I think it can be said with some degree of objectivity that they are all highly responsible and respectful of the time and money fans have put out to see them. I remember a post describing something a skater did that seemed nice and the poster saying, "That's so like [the skater]! She is always so polite!" How on earth would any of us know how any of these skaters "always" are? All we know is what we get via the media. Of course, I think a lot of people's enjoyment of a skater comes from their perception of the skater's personality. And real or imagined, again, so what? If people want to believe that someone posesses idealized personality characteristics and it increases their enjoyment of the skater, I think it's a good thing. (Just don't insist that I believe the same thing, please:lol: ) It's not reality (as long as the subject came up:lol: ), but then I don't think admiration of skaters, athletes, performers, or whatever celebrities has much to do with reality. Most people WANT the idealized version. It makes most people happy to believe that someone is not only a gorgeous skater (singer, dancer, actor, whatever) but also an exceptionally beautiful person on the inside. It's not my cup of tea, but then I wouldn't expect others to be attracted to the same people I do for the same reasons.

    And if anyone wants a more cogent and entertaining version of this post, watch "The Larry Sanders Show" on Bravo. It's not figure skaters, but it might as well be:smokin:
    Rgirl

  4. #19
    shdotz
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    IF Sarah said that when Kwan decided to not sign autographs that night, then shame on Sarah.

    Most unprofessional; I would expect that kind of response from Tonya Harding.

    sh

  5. #20
    RED DOG45
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    I tend to like honest people who tell it like it is (Depends on WHO however) more than people who act all nice in front of the camera but are totally different elsewhere. I think there is a difference between an "honest" person and a Diva.

    I mean we'll never know if MK is really the "angel" that people make her out to be. Everyone is human, they have their bad days, and I doubt Anyone, I don't care who you are, can be nice and loving and caring ALL the time.

    If SH said that it was probably just a little bit of her "true self" emerging and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, but you do have to watch what you say in front of people.

  6. #21
    mathman444
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Of course, I think a lot of people's enjoyment of a skater comes from their perception of the skater's personality. And real or imagined, again, so what? If people want to believe that someone posesses idealized personality characteristics and it increases their enjoyment of the skater, I think it's a good thing...It's not reality (as long as the subject came up), but then I don't think admiration of skaters, athletes, performers, or whatever celebrities has much to do with reality. Most people WANT the idealized version. It makes most people happy to believe that someone is not only a gorgeous skater (singer, dancer, actor, whatever) but also an exceptionally beautiful person on the inside.[/quote]

    You nailed it, Rgirl. Who cares about reality when Middle Earth is so full of wonder?

    Mathman

  7. #22
    lilicedancer
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    I think that a person's skating and their life/personality etc. should remain separate. For instance I really admire Sasha Cohen's skating and love to watch her, but as a person... I have been on sessions with her on several occasions, and she IS a diva. I don't mean that in a good way either. Then there are skaters like Tim Goebel, who I do not like to watch but who I admire very much as a person, he's such a nice guy! And of course there are skaters like Paul Wylie and Scott Hamilton who I admire as skaters and as people.

  8. #23
    GBMalwayz
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    alas, rgirl I am tired so i just read the first line or two of your rpost but I defend Sarah in doing her duty by her fans. And the info was no 100th hand. A woman who went to the COI show was there, heard it and reported it. I remember it generated a LONG discussion as the time.

    As far as Shine 2002, I am confused as I recently visited Michelle Yawn forum (which has all of 6 members :rollin: )
    But I thought I've seen you a couple of boards less than impressed with Kwan. A lot of people think Michelle is overrated and that it's unfair but seem to be afraid to post it.

    Afraid of others posters attacking. When kwanophiles attack!
    I've seen it hundreds of times, though mainly on MKF.

    It's amazing the stuff I've seen posted here, and no one cares, hardly no one, but if you think Kwan is a diva (aren't they all? ) that gets a response.

    Michelle is a quiet Diva. Certainly not the biggest in FS. We'd have to have them all take the MMPI and to figure out the biggest ego. Is that ok, rgirl?

    Middle earth Mathman? So scientists read sci-fi? I am however a life long Star Trek fan. I guess that is sci-fi, though from another era.

  9. #24
    LAVENDER
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    I've posted here once and I do like the site but...


    I mainly lurk but I want to say something about Michelle not signing autographs. It turns out that Michelle wasn't feeling well that day. One of the fans heard her say that her stomach was bothering her and she also heard Sarah's comment. Sarah didn't know Michelle was sick and we never really know why someone opts to not sign autographs on a particular day. It's disappointing but it happens.

    Michelle has been known to accomodate fans with autographs but I think she is allowed to be sick.

  10. #25
    SHINE2002
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    Hi GBM,
    "But I thought I've seen you a couple of boards less than impressed with Kwan. A lot of people think Michelle is overrated and that it's unfair but seem to be afraid to post it."

    Eh...I'm not quite sure what you mean there. :|

  11. #26
    Skate Sandee
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    Well I haven't read the whole thread (except to see that it has gone off somewhere about divas and such). But in reference to the original comment, isn't "La" simply the feminine prounoun in French? (I'm reaching WAY back into my memories of high school French and remembering "La" was the feminine and "Le" was the masculine).

    So isn't "La Kwan" simply the equivalent of "Ms. Kwan"?

  12. #27
    Skate Sandee
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    Oh wait - you weren't referring to newspapers in France. You were referring to posters that call her La Kwan.


    Nevermind.

    As for the "diva" thing = I always equate it with longevity and a certain up-front personality. I wouldn't call Kwan a diva. I wouldn't call Sasha a diva either (maybe a "divette"?). When I think "diva" in skating, I always think of Tarasova and her fur coats for some reason

  13. #28
    sloopie
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    Re: Divas on Ice


    Thank you, altamina, for that article on Kathleen Battle. I was wondering recently what had become of her. Another woman with enormous talent who had no concept of common courtesy or acceptable behavior. I remember when she was fired from the Met - very sad, because I adore her voice, but understandable from what I've read about her behavior. I've heard comments that men get away with this sort of thing all the time, and they're called "perfectionistic" or "demanding", but when a woman does it, she's a @#%$ (or, the polite alternative, a diva). Maybe.

    I think the idea of diva-dom has to do with self-esteem versus egotism. It's one thing to know you can do something well, and take pride in that, want to do your best and improve all the time - such as, Sasha saying she wants to be number one - perfectly realistic goal, and she tied it in to hard work, not to being handed success on a golden platter because she'd had some success already. She's put in the work to make herself #1 - at least I think so - and has said publicly when she falls that she has to work harder on consistency. It's interesting there's been no more talk of a quad from her (at least that I've heard), so maybe she reconsidered that as not furthering her primary goal. I see nothing wrong with anything she's said publicly.

    Privately, ah, that's another matter. Michelle might go home and tell her mom that Sasha (or Tara or Irina) is a #%^(# (supply your own expletive) but publicly she shows a competitive streak that isn't vindictive. Not signing autographs after a show - well, that could be her manager's decision, or maybe she was very tired or in a bad mood. If it isn't done often, I don't see anything wrong with it.

    I think Katarina Witt has been unfairly dubbed a diva because of her competitive streak. She isn't exactly the demure ice princess, she uses her sexuality as someone else might use a split spiral or a triple axel. Why not, it's an asset. I've never seen her say anything publicly that sounded conceited or too-good-for-you. When she went back to the Olympics, she knew she wasn't going to win anything, and was very up-front about it. What's diva about that?

    Poor Nancy Kerrigan couldn't get the public vs. private stuff straight. I'm sure her nightmare is a live microphone she isn't aware of. I've heard her say some things publicly - in front of cameras she knew were live - that weren't terribly nice (the worst was criticizing some "pseudo competition" by saying it didn't matter who won because they all got appearance fees anyway). I don't know if she was naive, or uncoached, or just felt honesty was the best policy - but I doubt she's any worse than anyone else in the top levels, but she paid dearly for 3 or 4 stupid comments.

    Nicole Bobek has made some very stupid choices in her eligible career, and that's too bad, because she has enormous talent, too. I think she just didn't understand what the fuss was about. And maybe wasn't willing to put in the work to fulfill her potential. That's her choice. I wish she'd made a different choice, because she could've been stupendous. But it's her life, and she has a right to decide what's more important to her, having fun or training.

    Athletic and artistic talent don't always go with political savvy, or common sense.

  14. #29
    Ogre Mage
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    Divas


    I think the biggest ice diva of all was ice dancer Pasha Grishuk. The stories I heard about her!

    She supposedly changed her name from Oksana to Pasha so she wouldn't be confused with Oksana Baiul, who she reportedly described as a "fat, over the hill cow." In 1998 she joked about looking for a boyfriend at the Olympics and suggested that all the male Olympics medalists should get in line so she could check them out. "But only the gold medalists," she said. I think her former parter, Platov, left her because he couldn't take it anymore.

    Katarina was definitely a diva, too, though I never heard her say anything about anyone else which was deliberately insulting. With her it was more what she did rather than what she said, like improvising to other skaters music during pratice time. Very diva-ish. I read on several boards that Roz Sumners used to make some pretty nasty comments about her competitors back in her amateur days. Given the (lack of) finesse with her skating commentary work, I can believe it.

  15. #30
    Grgranny
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    Re: Divas


    Oh Ogre, how could we forget. Pasha was the biggest diva of them all. :lol:

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