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    I'm just so excited to be going to Saturdays events, I'm not that particular about who will be there.
    I'm almost more excited about the fact that, even tho I only live an hour and a half from the Jersey shore, I haven't seen the ocean in over 2 years! I think I'm gonna head down early enough to go stick my toes in the ocean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan
    There is IMO a difference between a program that announces "I used my lack of injury to catch up with a vengeance -- and this is just the beginning -- you ain't seen nothing yet!" vs. "I'm catching up ... I'm getting there" -- regardless if it is at Campbell's or at SA.
    That's a great point.

    Still, in sports there is nothing like winning. Think what would happen if Michelle beat Sasha at Campbell's (even though that's not such an important one), then came back and won again at Skate America, and then beat Irina and Shizuka at Cup of China. That might turn our Torino expectations upside down.

    At least it would give us something to talk about for the next few months, LOL.

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    I got my tickets today. One section off center ice and I believe it's row 6....row FF the tickets say. Can't wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    That's a great point.

    Still, in sports there is nothing like winning. Think what would happen if Michelle beat Sasha at Campbell's (even though that's not such an important one), then came back and won again at Skate America, and then beat Irina and Shizuka at Cup of China. That might turn our Torino expectations upside down.

    At least it would give us something to talk about for the next few months, LOL.

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    It possibly might, and it's certainly not out of the question, but there's still the pressure factor. She'll be the favorite once again. Would she be able to handle it a third time?

    Judging by the pressure on her at 05 Nationals, and given the way she responded, I personally wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you Kwan fans.

    As for Campbell's it's anyone's game, since no one comes prepared anyway (it's kind of like a sports league pre-season if you will). SA and CC, I'm not even sure if MK is going to even BE there, let alone win those events.

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    IMO, I think that Nats '06 will be quite different from Nats '05, as it is both under CoP and a qualifier for Olys. I have always thought that what happened to Kwan in '94 would have been too traumatic not to have an effect -- and I think the effect of '94 is to make her extra driven to win at Nats, especially at Oly qualifiers. So far, her competitors have been unable to meet this extra drive. However, this Nats will be judged under the CoP, so Sasha might be able to pull it off -- but with Michelle's extra drive, I'm somewhat doubtful.

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    That's an interesting theory about 1994, Attyfan. But I don't know. If there had been no "Incident," Nancy and Tonya would have won first and second and gone to the Olys, and Michelle would have been the alternate in the unlikely event of one of those two dropping out. Which is just what happened anyway. Michelle's problem was not the Tonya-Nancy goings on, but rather the fact that the American team had qualified only two women at the previous worlds.

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    Hi, Red Dog. IMHO Michelle will feel the same amount of internal pressure whether she goes in as the favorite or the underdog. My point was, everything else being equal, the judges will give it to the person who has excelled throughout the season (like Irina at Europeans).

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    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan
    IMO, I think that Nats '06 will be quite different from Nats '05, as it is both under CoP and a qualifier for Olys. I have always thought that what happened to Kwan in '94 would have been too traumatic not to have an effect -- and I think the effect of '94 is to make her extra driven to win at Nats, especially at Oly qualifiers. So far, her competitors have been unable to meet this extra drive. However, this Nats will be judged under the CoP, so Sasha might be able to pull it off -- but with Michelle's extra drive, I'm somewhat doubtful.
    It will indeed be interesting. I want to see how the scores turn out under the CoP with all those American judges! If they are favoring MK, it will show.

    Also, for once I agree with Red Dog who insists there is pressure for MK (and no body else) to win despite the fact that there is only one realistic place open for the Olys.

    MK may very well want to set a new record on the most Nats wins so there could be some pressure there. Red Dog will you still be around if MK does win the Nats and have to admit that some people are better under pressure than others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    That's an interesting theory about 1994, Attyfan. But I don't know. If there had been no "Incident," Nancy and Tonya would have won first and second and gone to the Olys, and Michelle would have been the alternate in the unlikely event of one of those two dropping out. Which is just what happened anyway. Michelle's problem was not the Tonya-Nancy goings on, but rather the fact that the American team had qualified only two women at the previous worlds.

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    I don't think the problem was only having two places (so Michelle, Tonya and Nancy could all go) or even being named alternate so Nancy could go. I think the traumatic part would have started when the police seriously started investigating Tonya, but there wasn't enough evidence to kick her off before Olys -- only to haveTonya plead guilty just before Worlds (leaving 13 year old Michelle with the responsiblity of securing places for US ladies for the next year). It is one thing for skaters not to get named to World or Olys because a "bigger name" needed a bye due to illness injury; it is another thing not to get named to Olys because there isn't enough evidence to kick off someone who is later revealed as a felon. I can't help thinking that Michelle must have felt robbed -- and that the way to avoid getting robbed is to win Nats.

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    However, this Nats will be judged under the CoP, so Sasha might be able to pull it off -- but with Michelle's extra drive, I'm somewhat doubtful.
    Same here. I mean, I'd be shocked if Kwan doesn't win this one.

    Michelle will feel the same amount of internal pressure whether she goes in as the favorite or the underdog. My point was, everything else being equal, the judges will give it to the person who has excelled throughout the season (like Irina at Europeans).
    I see your point, and you may very well be right. What I'm referring to here is the external pressure that will be placed on her through the press, the fans, etc. if she manages to prove everybody wrong that she is over (I mean, her best days are behind her).

    Also, for once I agree with Red Dog who insists there is pressure for MK (and no body else) to win despite the fact that there is only one realistic place open for the Olys.
    Hey, I didn't say nobody else. I was referring specifically to MK. Of course others will be feeling the pressure, too...perhaps even more so than Kwan.

    Red Dog will you still be around if MK does win the Nats and have to admit that some people are better under pressure than others?
    Who said I wouldn't?

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    Red Dog -I'm just pulling your leg. I hope you know that. But my comment that some people do better under pressure is basically, a sound pyschological tenet. I think MK falls into that category. She uses the pressure to her advantage. After 12 years at the senior level and with all those medals including Olympic Medals, she manages quite well. I'm somewhat nervous that being an underdog MK will not get the fire she gets when she's in pressure at the top.

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    We still have a few weeks before the deadline of August 15th. I do hope that Michelle will compete!

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