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Thread: Why do you dislike Navka/Kostomarov?

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    N/K being the champions should be coming out with some original and interesting exciting programmes.Unfortunately they do not do that .They should be as they say pushing the boundaries bending the rules a little like T/D D/D and G/P .But they are dull dull dull .They may look good together skate lovely have great costumes etc but they are not exciting .Everything they do is safe .One OD looks like the next .I would like them to be beaten soon and B/A look the likely candidates.

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    Feel free to add your own! If any N/K fans actually exist, make yourselves known, if you dare![/QUOTE]

    I am a fan of them they are amazing

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    One can never argue someone's opinion and make the someone understand

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    They are excellent ice dancers, they have beautiful technique.

    Emotionally, they leave me cold. They trigger no emotional reaction in me whatsoever. Their presentation seems forced, phony and too theatrical. There's just no "real" there, emotion-wise.

    Belbin and Agosto leave me smiling for ages. I loved Bourne and Kraatz, Klimova and Ponamerekno, Krilova and partner (I'm tired, his name escapes me), Usova and Zhulin and Usova and Platov, the Duschenay's, B and B, and most of all Torvill and Dean. I enjoy Gregory and Petukov, Stiegler and Mazerovsky, and I thought Annasina and Peizerov were breathtaking. The ice dance teams who have left me cold are N and K, Pasha (can't really blame Evgeny) and Fusar Poli and Margaglio. In each case, its mostly the female skater--she's overly domineering in style, cold and almost calculating. There's just not an emotional connection with the partner that is so important.

    By the by, I've become a student of ice dance over the past 7 months and compete basic solo dance, so I'm paying more attention to (and love) this end of the sport more each day. But my opinions on these skaters I've mentioned that hasn't changed. There's just a calculating coldness there that leaves me cold.

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    I agree that N/K are cold and unappealing. They skate together as if they don't even know one another and have just paired up for the dance. And all their numbers look the same, even ones as disparate as the Pink Panther and Tosca.

    Compared to Annissina and Peizerat, N/K are cardboard characters---pretty to look at but flat.

    I don't care much for Delobel/Schoenfelder, either. They are great technicians at times, but they don't relate to one another a whit.

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    I don't find that much diversity in Russian Dance. There is always excellent technique and always the same style of the couples. they don't vary much except when they are doing an American dance.

    N and K just don't have the character of that dark music and I think that is the problem in their not relating to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    I don't find that much diversity in Russian Dance. There is always excellent technique and always the same style of the couples

    Joe
    :frown2:
    Do you mean Gritchuk/Platov, Krylova/Ovsyannikov, Lobacheva/Averbukh and Navka/Kostonmarov (to mention just the most recent Russian Ice dancers) are alike? Please elaborate ... I'm confused .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazmeen
    They are excellent ice dancers........, Krilova and partner (I'm tired, his name escapes me),
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    There were three.Vladimir Leliukh,circa 1989,Vladimir Fedorov,with whom she won a World Bronze 1993,and Oleg Ovsyannikov,from 1994 till they retired last year.Not too off-topic,but in every interview I've seen on TV,she always refers to Oleg as "my partner",never by name,LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanti
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    Do you mean Gritchuk/Platov, Krylova/Ovsyannikov, Lobacheva/Averbukh and Navka/Kostonmarov (to mention just the most recent Russian Ice dancers) are alike? Please elaborate ... I'm confused .
    I did indeed and it's JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    I did indeed and it's JMO.

    Joe
    I know you expressing your opinion, and I don't want to speak for Shanti, but I think she would like to know what it is you are basing your opinion on. I'm curious about that as well. Could you elaborate?

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    First of all, I am not putting Russian dancers down. I am always in awe watching their technique. Most of those teams look almost flawless to me. That is one reason I find them similar. What I am saying is their presentations are very much in the same school of facial expressions and body language, which their fans love to call 'passion' which I just don't see as anything special.

    I'm not arguing their ability to win medals. Most of their medals were deserved in my opinion. There are exceptions, though.

    Joe

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    Personally, I much prefer N/K to B/A. I mean, Agosto isn't too bad, and Tanith isn't horrible, but it would be nice if she would straighten her legs, and turn out from her hips... I just don't think they're a top of the world team (yet) - they don't really have the basic techniques perfected and kinda try to cover it up with their other stuff. N/K on the other hand excel at the basic things like line, carriage, ease of speed, flow, lilt... things like that - and I'm one of those who prefers seeing someone with superb basic skating skills than seeing someone who lacks a bit in that department and is just showier.

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    Thank you for your response, Joe, I never thought you were putting Russian ice dancers down.

    The difference between the way you and I see these teams illustrates how two judges can score skaters so differently. I find Lobacheva/Averbukh and Navka/Kostomarov and the "late" team of Novikov/Kulikova as different in style and presentation as three points of a triangle. I suppose this difference of opinion is what makes figure skating so much more interesting as a sport to me than track and field. Time and distance are measured the same way for those athletes no matter what their "style" is, not quite as exciting or interesting to me.

    Nan

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    Quote Originally Posted by NansXOXOX
    Thank you for your response, Joe, I never thought you were putting Russian ice dancers down.

    The difference between the way you and I see these teams illustrates how two judges can score skaters so differently. I find Lobacheva/Averbukh and Navka/Kostomarov and the "late" team of Novikov/Kulikova as different in style and presentation as three points of a triangle. I suppose this difference of opinion is what makes figure skating so much more interesting as a sport to me than track and field. Time and distance are measured the same way for those athletes no matter what their "style" is, not quite as exciting or interesting to me.

    Nan
    I completely agree. I can't image someone saying that N/K, G/P, K/O, and L/A are all alike, because to me, they all have completely different styles.

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    To me, saying that Bestemianova & Bukin and Klimova & Ponomarenko are alike seems bizare. The former were emotional to the point of being called over-the-top by many; the latter were almost academic in many of their programs.

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