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    Quote Originally Posted by emma
    Yeah...me too and yeah jeff! what happened to Weir???
    He looked tired. I have great faith in this cute little cupcake. He'll be back and he will kick @ss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Slutskaya finished five points ahead of Arakawa even with a fall and even without winning the PCS. She must have skated an awesome program.

    Can anyone read the pdf files with the breakdown of scores? My acrobat reader says it doesn't have the right font to display it (probably Japanese).

    Mathman
    Hi MM. There was almost 9 points difference in base value from Irina to Shiz. Shiz doubled a Sal and a Lutz, and must have struggled with her 3 Loop based on negative GOE. Sounds from the reports though that is was a strong season opener in all other respects. Hope to see video!! Oh - I though I read Shiz tried a 3 /3 (could be wrong) but if she did try, must have been downgraded.

    Irina's skates must have been on fire except for that fall. That was the only negative GOE element in her program.

    Gotta run - more analysis later!!

    DG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Can anyone read the pdf files with the breakdown of scores? My acrobat reader says it doesn't have the right font to display it (probably Japanese).

    Mathman
    Same was for me, but I downloaded Japanese font pack from Adobe site

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    Someone on MKF posted this. I hope it's ok to post it here. Like MM, I had trouble with the pdf, soo..



    Here's some of the protocols:

    Irina
    1 3Lz+2Lo 7.5 1.00 1 1 1 1 1 0 8.50
    2 3S+2Lo+2T 7.3 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 7.30
    3 FCSp3 2.3 0.38 1 0 0 1 1 2 2.68
    4 3T+2T 5.3 1.00 0 1 1 1 1 1 6.30
    5 LSp4 2.4 0.75 1 1 1 2 2 2 3.15
    6 SpSt3 3.1 0.50 0 1 1 1 1 1 3.60
    7 3F 6.1* -3.00 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 3.10
    8 3Lo 5.5* 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 5.50
    9 3T 4.4* 0.50 1 0 0 1 1 0 4.90
    10 CoSp2 2.1 0.00 0 2 0 0 0 0 2.10
    11 2A 3.6* 0.25 0 0 0 1 1 0 3.85
    12 SlSt1 1.8 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 0 1.80
    13 CCoSp2 2.5 0.63 1 1 1 1 2 2 3.13

    Shizuka
    1 3Lz+2T 7.3 -0.25 0 0 -1 1 0 -1 7.05
    2 3S+2T 5.8 1.00 1 1 2 1 1 0 6.80
    3 3F 5.5 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 -1 5.50
    4 FCSp3 2.3 0.38 1 0 1 1 0 1 2.68
    5 SpSt2 2.3 1.00 2 2 2 2 2 1 3.30
    6 3Lo 5.0 -1.00 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 4.00
    7 2A 3.6* 0.50 0 0 1 1 1 0 4.10
    8 2Lz 2.1* 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 0 2.10
    9 LSp4 2.4 0.63 1 1 2 2 1 1 3.03
    10 2S 1.4* -0.15 -1 0 0 -1 0 -2 1.25
    11 CoSp3 2.5 0.38 0 0 2 1 1 1 2.88
    12 SlSt3 3.1 0.50 1 1 2 1 1 1 3.60
    13 CCoSp2 2.5 0.75 1 1 1 2 2 2 3.25

    Miki
    1 LSp4 2.4 0.50 0 1 1 1 2 1 2.90
    2 3Lz+2T 7.3 0.25 0 -1 1 1 0 0 7.55
    3 3S 4.5 0.75 1 0 1 1 1 0 5.25
    4 2A 3.3 1.00 1 1 1 1 1 0 4.30
    5 2F+2T 3.0 -0.08 0 0 -1 0 0 -1 2.92
    6 CoSp3 2.5 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.50
    7 3Lz 6.6* -0.25 0 -1 1 -1 0 0 6.35
    8 SlSt1 1.8 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 0 1.80
    9 2Lo 1.7* -1.00 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 0.70
    10 FCoSp2 2.1 -0.53 -1 -1 -2 -2 -2 -2 1.57
    11 SpSt1 1.8 0.00 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.80
    12 3S+2T 6.4* 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 6.40
    13 CCoSp2 2.5 0.25 0 1 0 1 0 1 2.75

    Yoshie
    1 3Lz+2T 7.3 0.25 1 0 1 -1 0 0 7.55
    2 3Lo 5.0 0.00 0 0 0 -1 0 0 5.00
    3 3F+2T 6.8 0.25 1 0 1 0 0 0 7.05
    4 CiSt1 1.8 0.00 0 1 0 -1 0 0 1.80
    5 3F 5.5 -0.25 0 0 1 0 -1 -1 5.25
    6 FCSp1 1.7 0.00 0 0 0 -1 0 0 1.70
    7 2S 1.4* 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.40
    8 LSp2 1.5 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.50
    9 3Lz 6.6* -2.00 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 4.60
    10 SpSt1 1.8 -0.08 0 0 0 -1 -1 0 1.72
    11 2A+3T+SEQ 6.4* 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 0 6.40
    12 FSSp3 2.3 0.00 0 0 0 -1 0 0 2.30
    13 CCoSp2 2.5 0.00 0 0 0 0 -1 0 2.50

    Susanna
    1 3S+1Lo 5.0 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 0 5.00
    2 3Lz+2T 7.3 0.50 0 -1 1 1 1 0 7.80
    3 2Lo 1.5 -0.63 -3 -1 -3 -1 -2 -2 0.87
    4 FCoSp3 2.5 0.00 0 0 0 -1 1 0 2.50
    5 CCoSp1 2.0 0.00 0 0 0 0 1 0 2.00
    6 LSp2 1.5 0.25 0 0 0 1 1 1 1.75
    7 2F 1.9* -1.00 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 0.90
    8 2S 1.4* 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 0 1.40
    9 SlSt1 1.8 0.00 0 0 0 -1 0 0 1.80
    10 2A 3.6* 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.60
    11 FCSp2 2.0 0.00 0 1 0 0 0 0 2.00
    12 2T 1.4* 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.40
    13 SpSt2 2.3 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.30

    Julia
    1 3F 5.5 0.50 0 1 1 0 1 0 6.00
    2 2Lz 1.9 -1.00 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 0.90
    3 2Lo 1.5 -0.08 0 0 -1 -1 1 0 1.42
    4 FCSp3 2.3 0.25 0 0 0 1 1 1 2.55
    5 2S+2Lo+SEQ 2.2 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.20
    6 2Lz+1T 2.5* 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 0 2.50
    7 SpSt1 1.8 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.80
    8 3T+2T 5.8* -0.25 0 -1 0 0 0 -1 5.55
    9 1A 0.9* -0.35 0 -1 -3 -2 -2 -2 0.55
    10 FCCoSp1 2.0 -0.08 -1 0 0 -1 0 0 1.92
    11 SlSt2 2.3 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.30
    12 LSp2 1.5 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.50
    13 CCoSp1 2.0 -0.08 -1 0 -1 0 0 0 1.92

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    The season is starting to look good for Slutskaya fans. Just looking at the judging protocols (thanks bdreampixie), Irina's program seems already to be in mid-season form. All she has to do is upgrade her opening 3Lz-2Lo to a 3Lz-3Lo, and maybe change her last 3T to a second 3Lz, and she has a jump content that no one else can beat even if they skate their best.

    Shizuka's opening 3Lz-3T was downgraded to a 3Lz-2T by the tech specialist. This is not a good sign, since many critics have said that she always under-rotates this combination. If she can't get credit for the triple-triple without changing her technique, that is going to be a problem.

    Still, with her high program component scores, she would have had a shot at winning if she hadn't doubled her last two jumps. (This also happened at the Marshall's winter cheesefest two years ago. Shiz had Michelle beat and then let it slip away when she doubled her last two jumps.) As near as I can count it, Irina's base value would have been 40.7 with the upgraded 3/3, and Shizuka's would have been 40.4 with a 3/3 and no doubled jumps.

    Irina had one level four spin, one level three and one level two. (Not as good as Alissa Czissney at Ondrej Nepala last week, LOL.) Her spiral was a level three (Bielmann?), but her straight line footwork only a level one.

    I wish Irina was coming to Campbell's to square off against Michelle and Sasha next week! Anything can happen, but right now it looks like both Michelle and Sasha will have to skate perfectly to keep Irina in sight on the tech mark, then try to win on the program components. What a season this is going to be! (Michigan 34, Michigan State 31, OT.)

    Mathman
    Last edited by Mathman; 10-01-2005 at 05:15 PM.

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    Thanks for the analysis so far...has anyone watched any vids??? I saw some photos and Irina's red dress looks awesome, but I'm wondering has anyone heard the music choices and what do you think?

    My, my, my I just can't wait until next week so we can start comparing tech scores and figuring out where chips may or may not fall...i'm getting that nervous stomach feeling again (and I LIKE it).

    OT--so who were you rooting for MM, blue or green?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emma
    I saw some photos and Irina's red dress looks awesome, but I'm wondering has anyone heard the music choices and what do you think?
    Does anyone have a link to a picture? I would love to see it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amykaren
    Does anyone have a link to a picture? I would love to see it!
    Sorry...in post 138 at FSU there are some links and also a bit earlier in that thread too.

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...&page=10&pp=15

    ETA: sorry again, post 138 in the Japan International Challenge discussion thread

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    No big surprises in this early season. good practice for things to come. Let's see what happens in the GPs.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Slutskaya finished five points ahead of Arakawa even with a fall and even without winning the PCS. She must have skated an awesome program.

    Can anyone read the pdf files with the breakdown of scores? My acrobat reader says it doesn't have the right font to display it (probably Japanese).

    Mathman
    I just seen both programs and I'll post them here. Irina had a few sloppy moments and Shiz looked like she doubled 1-2 triples had a little trouble on the landing of one jump. Shiz was looking very sharp though the program is much simpler than Romeo and Juliet. Irina was better on a few spins, but her spiral sequence sucked.

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    After watching the vids of Irina and Shiz...

    Don't count out Shizuka. I think she is opening the season with more "freedom" in her skating than we saw last year. I hope she keeps "going for it" which I think she can on both the TES and PCS sides of the equation.

    On the other hand, IMO Irina is laying it down as the current world champ, and the one to beat. IMO, she looks to be in terrific form....nuf said. I think this is going to be a season beyond compare!!

    DG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggygirl
    Don't count out Shizuka. I think she is opening the season with more "freedom" in her skating than we saw last year. I hope she keeps "going for it" which I think she can on both the TES and PCS sides of the equation.

    On the other hand, IMO Irina is laying it down as the current world champ, and the one to beat. IMO, she looks to be in terrific form....nuf said. I think this is going to be a season beyond compare!!

    DG
    Well Irina always lays it down early in the season. Though looking at Irina's program, that is not an Olympic winning program. The music is different than other skaters' music, though it just isn't that uplifting (where the judges will just have to award that OGM). She will probably tweak it as she goes along, but what looked great last season is starting to look old and tired. Shiz's music isn't very good either (at least compared to her two previous programs).

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    This is just the start of the season. All these programs are going to evolve over the next several months, culminating in February. I would not make any predictions based on this competition. I hope Irina does not peak too early. She did in 2001 and we know how it ended in 2002 SLC.

    I read somewhere that Plushenko withdrew due to injury. Is there any news about this? Is it the same old injury or a new one? That does not bode well for his Olympic season.

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    Thanks so much soogar! Please post any other vids when you get them!

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