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    Quote Originally Posted by soogar
    Well Irina always lays it down early in the season. Though looking at Irina's program, that is not an Olympic winning program. The music is different than other skaters' music, though it just isn't that uplifting (where the judges will just have to award that OGM). She will probably tweak it as she goes along, but what looked great last season is starting to look old and tired. Shiz's music isn't very good either (at least compared to her two previous programs).
    Hey Sooger. Well, if the Oly's had been this weekend, then IMO Irina would have either 1) won, if no one else was there or 2) had a dang good shot.

    IMO, her music is very high energy, which I think works well for her. (you might think different, and that's A-OK). I just had to smile, only because I think she has put something down that all the others will now have to chase. And I could be very wrong - that's just IMO as a fan. Where I think Irina fell short was coming to a near stop at the end of her jump combos.

    Now - that could be OK if she's executing combos more difficult than others. But if others can execute those combos with some decent flow out, then.... Hopefully the scores will reflect that.

    I'm THRILLED that Shiz just might be back as I personally love her skating. What a great season we just might have to look forward to!!

    Just my 2 cents..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01
    This is just the start of the season. All these programs are going to evolve over the next several months, culminating in February. I would not make any predictions based on this competition.
    ITA. A little pre-season pro-am with no short program is not the best yardstick to use to predict the results of a competition four months away.

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    soogar- thanks for the vids, BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggygirl
    Hey Sooger. Well, if the Oly's had been this weekend, then IMO Irina would have either 1) won, if no one else was there or 2) had a dang good shot.

    IMO, her music is very high energy, which I think works well for her. (you might think different, and that's A-OK). I just had to smile, only because I think she has put something down that all the others will now have to chase. And I could be very wrong - that's just IMO as a fan. Where I think Irina fell short was coming to a near stop at the end of her jump combos.

    Now - that could be OK if she's executing combos more difficult than others. But if others can execute those combos with some decent flow out, then.... Hopefully the scores will reflect that.

    I'm THRILLED that Shiz just might be back as I personally love her skating. What a great season we just might have to look forward to!!

    Just my 2 cents..

    DG
    I totally agree...Shiz looks in good form and the program has tons of potential, and as it was today, I liked it alot. Irina looks fabulous....but she came to near dead stops with those combos, and she had some sloppy moments imo. But great start and no doubt she is making it clear that she is the leader....and i really like thre dress, and the music too.

    Weir did look tired and sluggish. I'm assuming we didn't really see the whole program....seemed a bit empty in the beginning...but his style and carriage and technique just make me, well, want to watch him. Since he said he wants a quad in the short and long...well...did i miss it (cuz i'll re-watch)? The last cut of music is right out of Irina's from last year...but i like it and it could be wonderful when his energy is up.

    Buttle, for sure, is the choreography king...the edging and intricacy of steps and moves was delightful....and oh my, that ina bauer into spread eagles was totally

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    Quote Originally Posted by emma
    I totally agree...Shiz looks in good form and the program has tons of potential, and as it was today, I liked it alot. Irina looks fabulous....but she came to near dead stops with those combos, and she had some sloppy moments imo. But great start and no doubt she is making it clear that she is the leader....and i really like thre dress, and the music too.

    Weir did look tired and sluggish. I'm assuming we didn't really see the whole program....seemed a bit empty in the beginning...but his style and carriage and technique just make me, well, want to watch him. Since he said he wants a quad in the short and long...well...did i miss it (cuz i'll re-watch)? The last cut of music is right out of Irina's from last year...but i like it and it could be wonderful when his energy is up.

    Buttle, for sure, is the choreography king...the edging and intricacy of steps and moves was delightful....and oh my, that ina bauer into spread eagles was totally
    I'm a big Weir fan, so of course was not dancing on my own rooftop with this debut. I does remind me a bit of the the Otonal debut last year - the first time I saw it on video was Campbell's - and it really , REALLY fell flat for me there. So I'm hoping there is a whole lot more to that program we have yet to see - and for Johnny with me anyway, it all comes in a very subtle package. Only time will tell IMO.

    And GO JEFF!!! He is such special skater, and I hope this is just the start to a great season for him.

    And Irina and Shiz too. And just think of what is yet to come by way of season openers for the rest of the ladies, men, pairs and dance teams!!!! I might have to put more padding on the arm of my chair to get me through the season.

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    I liked Arakawa´s and Weir´s programmes best. WOW, the way they both move on the ice and the way they interpret the music, it is just fantastic. Weir was not technically at his best and not totally ready with the programme yet, but later in the season everything will be great, I feel. Buttle was really elegant too. I liked Irina´s costume very much. It was simple and beautiful. So glad there were no long shreads hanging!
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    What's cool about the New Judging System is that we can, to some extent, compare performances across different events. Even though Irina will not be at Campbell's, we will be able to see how Michelle's and Sasha's technical components stack up to Irina's opening salvo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    What's cool about the New Judging System is that we can, to some extent, compare performances across different events. Even though Irina will not be at Campbell's, we will be able to see how Michelle's and Sasha's technical components stack up to Irina's opening salvo.
    That seems to be true, but as there would be different judges doing each event, I'm sure the point totals may vary- quite a bit as well. I suppose to a certain extent there can be comparisons, assuming every judge uses the same yardstick (and how likely is that?!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    What's cool about the New Judging System is that we can, to some extent, compare performances across different events. Even though Irina will not be at Campbell's, we will be able to see how Michelle's and Sasha's technical components stack up to Irina's opening salvo.
    ITA Mathman. It's a LOT more than we had under the old system.

    Has anyone else watched Miki's program? I love her new look. I'm usually not a fan of "hair down" unless the hair is a short cut, but I really like this look on her. I also like her costume more than I've liked any of her previous ones. And while she still has work to do IMO to catch up with the top tier ladies in non-jump elements, I think she is showing big improvement in her overall presentation quality, posture, line, etc. I really enjoyed the debut of this program!!

    On the fashion front, I really thought Shiz looked fabulous in the shorter hair cut she debuted at World's. I wish she would go back to that - it's a great look for her IMO. I liked her costume - and this time she didn't appear to get cheated on the amount of fabric needed to cover the back side of the costume.

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    Thanks for posting these as well. The Buttle link needs to be fixed though. I had to take the Irina link and take the number part after the = from the Buttle link and post it onto the Irina link to be able to download Jeff's program.

    I think Jeff and Irina are leaving the flips for later on in the season. LOL It's a good thing that both of them aren't perfect yet. They can only get better with time and competition run throughs. Jeff's 3 toe loop that opened the program was really loose (his freeleg was not tightly wrapped around the skating leg in the air). Meaning that Jeff must be setting himself up to do the quad in its place.

    Go Jeff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Having seen the rest of the programs, I think Miki is looking great. But [color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color] with Yoshie??? She was making such good ground with Weisiger and now it looks like she has totally regressed. She looked like a beginner skater the way she was flopping around on some of those moves.

    Jeff reminds me a lot of Janet Lynn. They both have that angelic hair flying around as they skate and he looks so happy when he skates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soogar
    Having seen the rest of the programs, I think Miki is looking great. But [color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color] with Yoshie??? She was making such good ground with Weisiger and now it looks like she has totally regressed. She looked like a beginner skater the way she was flopping around on some of those moves.

    Jeff reminds me a lot of Janet Lynn. They both have that angelic hair flying around as they skate and he looks so happy when he skates.
    ITA on Yoshie... just seems like the Japanese ladies field is leaving her behind.

    Interesting analogy with Jeff and Janet. Hmmm... I think I agree with you! If there is an X factor, I think Jeff has two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggygirl
    ITA on Yoshie... just seems like the Japanese ladies field is leaving her behind.

    DG
    I hope Yoshie can step it up. She's such a cutie and an amazing jumper. Her program seems kind of promising in that the music choice is very light and playful which suits Yoshie. It really ruins it for me that she can't maintain balance on a spiral and keep her back straight on a lot of the footwork. She's an elite level skater, she shouldn't be having those kinds of problems. She should have stayed with Audrey.

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    Thanks Soogar - Unfortunately, my slow computer takes it time downloading these skates. I did wait for Jeffrey and I'm glad I did. He looks ready enough at this stage to go for the podium in Torino. A beautiful routine (Wilson) with solid jump technique (Arutunian).

    Those MIFs are second to none and he doesn't stop to pose and wait for the audience to applaud. He's a true masculine lyrical skater.

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    Johnny's program is another constant reminder of his ability to move his feet through the music without missing a beat. Of course, many posters will say he doesn't have a quad, but how many of the skaters who do have a quad can move their feet through an ENTIRE program? Buttle comes very close; Lambiel if he is on, definitely; and Eman, too. They are musical skaters first and quad skaters second. Pick you choice.

    Back to Johnny. He's looking more mature and it shows in the skating. TT gave him a beautiful work, and that's the way he skates it.

    If they don't win the Olys or even make the podium, I think one should just sit back and watch Johnny and Jeffrey and enjoy their beautiful skating.

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