I would assume the hghest scoring combos would involve the first jump as an Axel or a Lutz. The second jump would have to be a Loop jump for a 2 jump highest awarded combo.
Has anyone seen a 3A x 3R? or a 3Z x 3R?, and was there good flow out of the 2nd jump?
For 3Z+3R combos - Miki Ando has been trying these for a long time, but rarely has the 3R ratified. Irina Slutskaya is probably the skater with teh most ratified 3Z+3R jumps ratified, but one of Irina's main problems with jumps was lack of flow out and on her combinations - the second jump was often landed at a near standstill.
The men seem to use the 3R less as the back half of combinations. In a two jump combination I can only think of Eric Millot back in the day doing 3R+3R and landing with good flow. I believe he may have also landed a 3A+3R once but can't recall the competition.
I also seem to recall Alexander Abt attempintg 3A+3R a few times in his career but cannot recall him landing a clean one.
The 3 Jump Combo requires a half loop jump after the first, followed by a Flip and a Loop jumps.
I'm not sure what you mean here Joe (but if you mean three multi-revolution jumps linked with a half loop look at teh final paragraph about why, points wise it wouldn't benefit the skater) - the highest scoring three jump combos would be three multi-revolution jumps together. The inclusion of a half-loop as you suggest would turn the jumping pass into a sequence rather than a combination so it would also lose 0.2 marks for being a sequence.
I would guess the most difficult three jump combination attempted would be 4T+3T+3R that Plushenko has landed a few times in competition. After that I would think that Oda's 3A+3T+3R that he landed would be the next difficult. From memory he landed it at least once in competition and the flow out of the third jump wasn't too bad. Next would be Kevin Van de Peren's 3F+3T+3R that he did a few seasons ago and that did have good flow out. He now does the slightly easier 3S+3T+3R.
Has anyone seen a 3A (3Z) x half loop x complete 3R? and was there good flow out of the third jump?
Not sure about this since a half loop (for an anti-clockwise rotator) would leave you on a LBI edge, so you would need to push back onto a RBO for the 3R (would that still count as a step/hop etc for the sequence rules?). Or did you mean a 3S or 3F directly out of the half loop?
I've never seen a skater follow a 3A or 3Z with a half-loop+3R. Pluschenko did land 3A/Half-loop/3F in the 2001/2002 season. Yags was landing 3A/half-loop/3S that season too.
The 3 Jump Combo can also require a half loop jump after the second jump, followed by a 3 Sal. (Note: after the first jump there is either a 3T or a 3R}
Has anyone seen a 3A (3Z) x a 3T or a 3R x half loop x 3Sal? and was there good flow out of it.
I got a bit lost following this bit - can you explain it further Joe i'm having a difficult time visualising the jump combos/sequences you are describing.
I have seen mostly 3Ts in combos and the last jump of a combo, in some cases, does not flow at all. I think there are more points to gain in this area when looking at high scoring combos.
The only thing i would say is that some of the jumps you seem to be describing could be three multi-revolution jumps at some point linked with a half-loop (unless i have mis-understood?). Under the current scoring system anything that is a sequence as opposed to a combination will only get 0.8 of the base value of the
two hardest jumps therefore if you were thinknig e.g. that someone super human could do 3A/3T-half-loop/3F, the skater would receive points that was 0.8 x (3A basevalue + 3F Basevalue). There would be no point in doing the 3T in between.
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