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men's results...
- Thread starter thisthingcalledlove
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Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ TCS
+ SS TR PE CH IN Deduction
- StN.
1 Timothy GOEBEL USA 73.65 37.30 36.35 7.60 6.80 7.20 7.35 7.40 0.00 #1
2 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 71.70 34.10 37.60 7.50 7.50 7.30 7.50 7.80 0.00 #7
3 Alexander ABT RUS 67.46 29.16 38.30 7.85 7.00 7.70 7.70 8.05 0.00 #4
4 Song GAO CHN 64.29 37.24 28.05 5.85 5.30 5.45 5.75 5.70 1.00 #5
5 Matthew SAVOIE USA 62.02 31.52 30.50 6.35 5.75 6.00 6.35 6.05 0.00 #3
6 Kensuke NAKANIWA JPN 61.85 34.30 27.55 5.70 5.05 5.50 5.65 5.65 0.00 #2
7 Gheorge CHIPER ROM 60.55 31.10 29.45 6.05 5.60 5.95 5.80 6.05 0.00 #6
= TES
+ TCS
+ SS TR PE CH IN Deduction
- StN.
1 Timothy GOEBEL USA 73.65 37.30 36.35 7.60 6.80 7.20 7.35 7.40 0.00 #1
2 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 71.70 34.10 37.60 7.50 7.50 7.30 7.50 7.80 0.00 #7
3 Alexander ABT RUS 67.46 29.16 38.30 7.85 7.00 7.70 7.70 8.05 0.00 #4
4 Song GAO CHN 64.29 37.24 28.05 5.85 5.30 5.45 5.75 5.70 1.00 #5
5 Matthew SAVOIE USA 62.02 31.52 30.50 6.35 5.75 6.00 6.35 6.05 0.00 #3
6 Kensuke NAKANIWA JPN 61.85 34.30 27.55 5.70 5.05 5.50 5.65 5.65 0.00 #2
7 Gheorge CHIPER ROM 60.55 31.10 29.45 6.05 5.60 5.95 5.80 6.05 0.00 #6
Final SP results
2003 NHK Trophy
Men - Short Program Online Results Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ TCS
+ SS TR PE CH IN Deduction
- StN.
1 Timothy GOEBEL USA 73.65 37.30 36.35 7.60 6.80 7.20 7.35 7.40 0.00 #1
2 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 71.70 34.10 37.60 7.50 7.50 7.30 7.50 7.80 0.00 #7
3 Alexander ABT RUS 67.46 29.16 38.30 7.85 7.00 7.70 7.70 8.05 0.00 #4
4 Brian JOUBERT FRA 64.80 31.40 33.40 6.80 6.35 6.65 6.55 7.05 0.00 #10
5 Song GAO CHN 64.29 37.24 28.05 5.85 5.30 5.45 5.75 5.70 1.00 #5
6 Yunfei LI CHN 63.97 34.22 29.75 6.45 5.65 6.05 5.60 6.00 0.00 #8
7 Ben FERREIRA CAN 62.15 29.20 32.95 6.75 6.30 6.60 6.55 6.75 0.00 #11
8 Matthew SAVOIE USA 62.02 31.52 30.50 6.35 5.75 6.00 6.35 6.05 0.00 #3
9 Kensuke NAKANIWA JPN 61.85 34.30 27.55 5.70 5.05 5.50 5.65 5.65 0.00 #2
10 Gheorge CHIPER ROM 60.55 31.10 29.45 6.05 5.60 5.95 5.80 6.05 0.00 #6
11 Yamato TAMURA JPN 53.95 26.00 27.95 6.05 5.40 5.55 5.45 5.50 0.00 #9
2003 NHK Trophy
Men - Short Program Online Results Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ TCS
+ SS TR PE CH IN Deduction
- StN.
1 Timothy GOEBEL USA 73.65 37.30 36.35 7.60 6.80 7.20 7.35 7.40 0.00 #1
2 Jeffrey BUTTLE CAN 71.70 34.10 37.60 7.50 7.50 7.30 7.50 7.80 0.00 #7
3 Alexander ABT RUS 67.46 29.16 38.30 7.85 7.00 7.70 7.70 8.05 0.00 #4
4 Brian JOUBERT FRA 64.80 31.40 33.40 6.80 6.35 6.65 6.55 7.05 0.00 #10
5 Song GAO CHN 64.29 37.24 28.05 5.85 5.30 5.45 5.75 5.70 1.00 #5
6 Yunfei LI CHN 63.97 34.22 29.75 6.45 5.65 6.05 5.60 6.00 0.00 #8
7 Ben FERREIRA CAN 62.15 29.20 32.95 6.75 6.30 6.60 6.55 6.75 0.00 #11
8 Matthew SAVOIE USA 62.02 31.52 30.50 6.35 5.75 6.00 6.35 6.05 0.00 #3
9 Kensuke NAKANIWA JPN 61.85 34.30 27.55 5.70 5.05 5.50 5.65 5.65 0.00 #2
10 Gheorge CHIPER ROM 60.55 31.10 29.45 6.05 5.60 5.95 5.80 6.05 0.00 #6
11 Yamato TAMURA JPN 53.95 26.00 27.95 6.05 5.40 5.55 5.45 5.50 0.00 #9
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Wow, Timmy skated first and got some huge marks! He must have skated awesome. I hope we get to see the NHK short programs sometime before US Nats, LOL 
GO TIMMY, MATT, and JEFF!!!!
GO TIMMY, MATT, and JEFF!!!!
Uhh...sorry to burst your bubble, but Tim fell on his triple axel. I also think his TCS is a bit high. Judging from reports I heard, this was not a well skated competition.KwanFan1212 said:Wow, Timmy skated first and got some huge marks! He must have skated awesome. I hope we get to see the NHK short programs sometime before US Nats, LOL
GO TIMMY, MATT, and JEFF!!!!
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Pitchka - Isn't the Men's competition just the SP. The results could change.
Buttle is chasing Tim for lst place. Interesting.
Joe
Buttle is chasing Tim for lst place. Interesting.
Joe
NHK
It may have been a splatfest, but ABT didn't fall.
The men take the ice tonight for the LP at 10:30 pm central time, 11:30 pm eastern time.
Goebel went to the hospital last night after his sp with food poisoning and he skates last tonight.
If Abt beats Joubert by enough points, he's in the Final - but it's going to be close.
It may have been a splatfest, but ABT didn't fall.
The men take the ice tonight for the LP at 10:30 pm central time, 11:30 pm eastern time.
Goebel went to the hospital last night after his sp with food poisoning and he skates last tonight.
If Abt beats Joubert by enough points, he's in the Final - but it's going to be close.
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The was-robbed story of the event, without surprise, is Matt Savoie. Whle Goebel didn't have the jumps and fell a few times, Savoie had some flips out and minor errors, yet the marks are as followed:
2 Timothy GOEBEL 131.86 58.96 72.90 7.40 7.15 7.10 7.40 7.40
9 Matthew SAVOIE 117.00 54.00 63.00 6.35 6.10 6.30 6.40 6.35
Conlusion: To get good scores in general, you have to attempt quads (note that it's not "land" quads) no matter how consistent they are. In fact, it doesn't really matter if your quad is non-existent at this point (ie. Jeff Buttle). And by attemptinng quads, you'll not only get good marks in TES, but also, for some reason that has yet to be interpreted, in TCS well (ie. Goebel and Savoie).
2 Timothy GOEBEL 131.86 58.96 72.90 7.40 7.15 7.10 7.40 7.40
9 Matthew SAVOIE 117.00 54.00 63.00 6.35 6.10 6.30 6.40 6.35
Conlusion: To get good scores in general, you have to attempt quads (note that it's not "land" quads) no matter how consistent they are. In fact, it doesn't really matter if your quad is non-existent at this point (ie. Jeff Buttle). And by attemptinng quads, you'll not only get good marks in TES, but also, for some reason that has yet to be interpreted, in TCS well (ie. Goebel and Savoie).
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There does seem to be a difference between the men and the ladies, with respect to how they are adapting to the CoP. The men do seem to score much better when they attempt the hardest elements, even if they fail. But the ladies are scaling back, feeling that it is smarter to do easier elements, but with more attention to excellence.
Mathman
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Well, ya all know me. I think it is the judges who already have a good knowledge of each skater before the competition begins. They have a tendency, imo, to rate the skater albeit subjectively based on past performances. Savoie, for example, does step out of jumps so seeing this reinforces some of the judges to rate him accordingly and disregard his superb musicality, flow, and unique style. Tim, on the other hand, has demonstrated his ability to nail several kinds of quads in competition. Some of the judges (subjectively) see a fall as just a small flub and do not rate this fall in terms of the presentation, which is getting better each year. Sad, but this happens. I would love to see scores based on what the skater does without reference to any previous competitions (or practices).
Figure Skating is a subjective sport.
Joe
Figure Skating is a subjective sport.
Joe
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