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Here is Vaitsekhovskaya's take on it (in answers to questions on her blog): Gorshkov is a very good person. I think he just doesn't like to say "no".
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New President of Russian Figure Skating Federation Selected Today, Plus a Surprise
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So i see, it is like Piseev did them a favor, nobody wanted to play their heads, so a new post of the Director was created to have Piseev again in charge whose head has been tested in Vancouver anyway and obviously survived. By Sochhi Piseev will be like 75 years old??He will probably retire after anyway.
I dont know if Anton would have the abilities, I just said someone more fresh and with will to work would be a good image, to be honest for me anyone but Piseev would do. It would be risky but at least there would be a hope, now it will be same old stuff and with his power rénovée.
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How exactly they become more powerful?
I don't think the situation is so clear cut as some posters here make it look like.
There have been many prominent members of Russian Figure Skating Federation (such as TAT) who are very vocal in their support of Pisseev. Of course there were those who are not happy and the most vocal ones already posted here but the other side also exists. I would not reduce this to old-Soviet dictatorship jokes. There is a lot of pressure on Figure Skating Federation to succeed in Sochi and people are against big, drastic changes at this stage.
I also would not be too critical of Alla Schekhovtseva. In fact, from what I heard she is very much respected in International judging community as a great specialist and even more then at home where she is known to be biased against certain Russian skaters who happens to be not from her school.
There have been many prominent members of Russian Figure Skating Federation (such as TAT) who are very vocal in their support of Pisseev. Of course there were those who are not happy and the most vocal ones already posted here but the other side also exists. I would not reduce this to old-Soviet dictatorship jokes. There is a lot of pressure on Figure Skating Federation to succeed in Sochi and people are against big, drastic changes at this stage.
I also would not be too critical of Alla Schekhovtseva. In fact, from what I heard she is very much respected in International judging community as a great specialist and even more then at home where she is known to be biased against certain Russian skaters who happens to be not from her school.
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Well if she's 'known' to be biased in Russia, why shouldn't the international community be a bit worried or suspicious ? This is hardly reassuring.
Because the Congress (full membership) will now only meet once every 4 years instead of two.
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Riardo, IMO both Vaitsekhovskaya and Verner are correct when they lament not so much that Piseev is still where he is as about the lack of viable alternatives. Gritchuk's candidacy was clearly a joke. I know little about Sikhuralidze's credentials (having an OGM does not qualify), but let's just accept Vaitsekhovskaya's argument that he wouldn't have been a good choice. Vasiliev, Ovchinnikov and Tikhonov didn't want to do it. Rodnina would've been a complete disaster. And - there was no one else. That is what's especially sad.
As to Shekhovtseva - yes, I'm sure she's an excellent specialist in that she knows ice dancing inside and out; it's her integrity that's so questionable. I mean, you don't put an arsonist in charge of your fire department just because he knows more than anyone else about flammable materials.
As to Shekhovtseva - yes, I'm sure she's an excellent specialist in that she knows ice dancing inside and out; it's her integrity that's so questionable. I mean, you don't put an arsonist in charge of your fire department just because he knows more than anyone else about flammable materials.
Sorry, that's so far from reality that I must protest what you just said. In Vancouver, she was the only Ice Dance judge among all those present who had the audacity to put Domnina/Shabalin first in every single phase of the competition where she was drawn to judge. Her marks were so out of whack with the rest you could see it miles away, even under the supposed anonymity of judges' identity.
Her only raison d'etre of being there in virtually every single critical ISU competition in Ice Dance is precisely due to the fact she is politically powerful through her husband and in turn, through the RSF and all that it represents. If anybody wants to make a deal or needs a favor, there is not a better person than her.
The way she judged in Vancouver showed such clear national bias that if she weren't the wife of Pissev, she would have been suspended by now, regardless of how knowledgeable or well trained she may be, there was no excuse. This kind of judging has no place in the Olympic Games. Plus, many insiders have reported that she promised Linichuck that Domnina/Shabalin will win Gold in Vancouver, hence the shock the vibrated throughout the Russian Federation when it didn't materialize.
Exactly, I was there in Vancouver for the Figure Skating competitions. Shekhovtseva, many suspected, had been trying to pressure Irina Netchkina who lives in Russia, to vote along with her. There was no concrete proof, a few journalists were trying to dig into that story right after the CD in Vancouver but they didn't have success in getting anybody to talk for obvious reasons. Though they did manage to get some judges who weren't part of the competition to speak off the record. Netchkina who recently returned from a suspension by ISU knew that Gordon-Poltorak was watching for her, so in turn, Alla lost control of Irina and became the only vote who was so out of whack on the dance panel in Vacouver. There is no dobut she should have been suspended by now yet there is still this crazy talk about letting her become the head of Ice Dance Technical Committee, then you might as well get the Pirates of the Carribbean to run the Federal Reserve of the United States.
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Oh, please, wallylutz, stop telling fairy tales! Shekhovtsova's marks were "so out of whack with the rest"? What are you talking about? I think you should check protocols again to refresh your memory. For example FD http://www.nbcolympics.com/figure-s...t=FSX030000/phase=FSX030201/doc=analysis.html
Would you be so kind to show me Shekhovtsova's marks which are "so out of whack"? Please.
Would you be so kind to show me Shekhovtsova's marks which are "so out of whack"? Please.
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Fashionista, those are not the protocols, but weighted averages in the end. Here are the protocols for the free dance I dunno if I agree with wallylutz - I would have to take a closer look, but some of those PCS for DomShabs are pretty ridiculous. 9.5 for skating skills from one judge? No - his knees pretty much destroyed that. 9.5 for the OD choreography? That was legendarily poor.
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How about learning to read the protocols first or even find out what is a "protocol" in figure skating? It is impossible to respond when you don't even have such basic pre-requisite knowledge for an intelligent conversation, I apologize as I am unable to take your posts seriously.
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Fashionista's link does indeed lead to the protocols, although the difficult-to-read nbcolympics version. If when you clicked on her link you didn't see the Judges' Scores (nbcolympics for protocols) come up, as I did, then you have to click on the "Judges' Scores" tab on the page and scroll down. Since both Imaginary Pogue and wallylutz got some other view of results, I'm wondering whether there is some bookmark or cookie from the last time you looked at the page involved.
But one thing is sure: no one but the computer and the ISU people allowed to see what is entered in it, know which judge's scores are which, something people have griped about for ages.
All the scores in dance have been hugely inflated this year, IMO.
But one thing is sure: no one but the computer and the ISU people allowed to see what is entered in it, know which judge's scores are which, something people have griped about for ages.
All the scores in dance have been hugely inflated this year, IMO.
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Strange, following this link I hit exactly "Judges score" page... Looks like my computer still remembers some olympic time cookies.
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Yeah, got it this time. My apologies.
Sorry, that's so far from reality that I must protest what you just said. In Vancouver, she was the only Ice Dance judge among all those present who had the audacity to put Domnina/Shabalin first in every single phase of the competition where she was drawn to judge. Her marks were so out of whack with the rest you could see it miles away, even under the supposed anonymity of judges' identity.
Her only raison d'etre of being there in virtually every single critical ISU competition in Ice Dance is precisely due to the fact she is politically powerful through her husband and in turn, through the RSF and all that it represents. If anybody wants to make a deal or needs a favor, there is not a better person than her.
The way she judged in Vancouver showed such clear national bias that if she weren't the wife of Pissev, she would have been suspended by now, regardless of how knowledgeable or well trained she may be, there was no excuse. This kind of judging has no place in the Olympic Games. Plus, many insiders have reported that she promised Linichuck that Domnina/Shabalin will win Gold in Vancouver, hence the shock the vibrated throughout the Russian Federation when it didn't materialize.
Exactly, I was there in Vancouver for the Figure Skating competitions. Shekhovtseva, many suspected, had been trying to pressure Irina Netchkina who lives in Russia, to vote along with her. There was no concrete proof, a few journalists were trying to dig into that story right after the CD in Vancouver but they didn't have success in getting anybody to talk for obvious reasons. Though they did manage to get some judges who weren't part of the competition to speak off the record. Netchkina who recently returned from a suspension by ISU knew that Gordon-Poltorak was watching for her, so in turn, Alla lost control of Irina and became the only vote who was so out of whack on the dance panel in Vacouver. There is no dobut she should have been suspended by now yet there is still this crazy talk about letting her become the head of Ice Dance Technical Committee, then you might as well get the Pirates of the Carribbean to run the Federal Reserve of the United States.
I wonder what world you live in. I never stated that she does not have bias. But please tell me which judge does not??? Every single one has National bias, in fact I would argue that her scores are less biased then some cough-Canadian-cough judges.
And I am not sure where did you find information about unlimited powers of Piseev that can push his wife the way you suggest. Some of these unsupported claims just make me sick. You managed to paint her as monster without one single substantiated evidence. Please....enough already.
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After the election and report of Friday, June 4, some spoke out against the creation of the new post of Director-General by the conference group, but one spoke out in favor of Piseyev retaining power, according to Sports.ru. I have been following the arguments for days.
Speaking out publicly against the new arrangement which allows Piseyev to retain power, were Anton Sikharulidze, Oleg Vasil'yev, and Oleg Nilov, the president of the federation of figure skating of St. Petersburg, a separate organization from the RSF. (The RSF in Russian is spelled FFKR).
Speaking out publicly for the new arrangement was Tatyana Tarasova.
Most did not appear to find Aleksandr Gorshkov objectionable; their objections were against Piseyev retaining power, and they seemed to believe that his power would be topmost. Piseyev himself was quoted publicly more than once, claiming that there would be a division of labor between himself and Gorshkov. In these articles, Piseyev appeared to be trying to soothe away, in the public eye, the fears expressed about his new position.
Now an article has been written by Beverley Smith of the Globe and Mail, which very legibly presents the overview of recent events from a non-Russian point of view. It has a lot of information in it, some of which did not appear in the Sports.ru articles which I have seen. The URL for this article is:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/russias-figure-skating-power-play/article1598419/
Speaking out publicly against the new arrangement which allows Piseyev to retain power, were Anton Sikharulidze, Oleg Vasil'yev, and Oleg Nilov, the president of the federation of figure skating of St. Petersburg, a separate organization from the RSF. (The RSF in Russian is spelled FFKR).
Speaking out publicly for the new arrangement was Tatyana Tarasova.
Most did not appear to find Aleksandr Gorshkov objectionable; their objections were against Piseyev retaining power, and they seemed to believe that his power would be topmost. Piseyev himself was quoted publicly more than once, claiming that there would be a division of labor between himself and Gorshkov. In these articles, Piseyev appeared to be trying to soothe away, in the public eye, the fears expressed about his new position.
Now an article has been written by Beverley Smith of the Globe and Mail, which very legibly presents the overview of recent events from a non-Russian point of view. It has a lot of information in it, some of which did not appear in the Sports.ru articles which I have seen. The URL for this article is:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/russias-figure-skating-power-play/article1598419/
