OK, I re-read the thread and I agree that before the arrival of those 2 posters, the posts in this thread are criticism.
Men's Short Program, Fri. 11/18 at 9 am EST
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OK, I re-read the thread and I agree that before the arrival of those 2 posters, the posts in this thread are criticism.
Really great post....I find myself totally agreeing with this. But I especially agree with all of the stuff you wrote about Chan.
I am still wondering why Adam's 3 lutz didn't get higher GOE's; perhaps someone who understands scoring better than I can help here,
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Clearly you have never been to Vancouver in the winter
Aside from that....so agree about Florent. I think Morozov is sucking out his soul because the genuine joy and the exuberance in skating from previous seasons seems gone, or at least somewhat muted. The worst thing is that Florent's LP is even worse than his SP in terms of costuming, music, interpretation and choreography.
Only tripped out ice dancers can get away with pairing neon green and tiger print.
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Well, the opposition to him will likely retreat either 1) if he stops falling at every competition, or 2) if he still falls but judges start to downgrade him in rankings,
Actually, I was bored too. I mean, he did the same program so well at world last year, now, it looks pale in comparison. That's why one should never repeat a program that has been done much better before. I could understand POTO as it didn't get a better showcase until last year. Well, as long as the judges don't get bored, I guess what am I to complain about? I just hope that it won't give him a disadvantage in Nice.
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Clearly you have never been to Vancouver in the winter
Aside from that....so agree about Florent. I think Morozov is sucking out his soul because the genuine joy and the exuberance in skating from previous seasons seems gone, or at least somewhat muted. The worst thing is that Florent's LP is even worse than his SP in terms of costuming, music, interpretation and choreography.
Only tripped out ice dancers can get away with pairing neon green and tiger print.
I maintain that Vancouver and the entire lower mainland is a logical incongruity to Canada (except colleen. She's awesome).
So is Vancouver, of course (and I spent my formative years in Northern British Columbia, fwiw).
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It snowed in Vancouver yesterday. It has been an unusually cold winter in BC.
I totally agree with you about the bold part, that has me worry about his SP scores this year. Can you explain about the "new GOE limitations on his footwork" as I'm not familiar with it? Thanks.
What does UR'd a quad fall have anything to do with reigning world champ? So a world champ can't make mistake? What does that say about former world champ who didn't even attempt a quad then?
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My posts are criticism as well. I went to full length to explain my opinion with a detailed protocol breakdown. Don't lump me into this ridiculous "xxxx poster is bashing zzzz skater" talk, which in fact nobody is doing in the first place. Art&Sport may be very repetitive but he/she is not bashing Chan.
People need to stop being so artificially outraged at dissenting opinions.
Also - some people may get defensive at how "whatever Patrick Chan does it's never good enough for some of you!", but on the other hand some people find it delusional/uneducated to think Patrick Chan is the epitome of amazing programs and performance ability.
It goes both ways and if you can't handle reading opinions you don't agree with, then maybe you shouldn't participate in discussion forums.
No, to distract the judges from his lack of "artistry".
I think the hair part is meant as joke only, nothing serious. I do agree with the rest of what you said. No matter what Chan does or doesn't do, some people will just hate him and there will always be controversial about his marks. It's a tradition on this board.
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Not a huge deal.
During the 2010/2011 season, the level four footwork season had a base value of 3.90, and that has remained unchanged. However, the GOEs one can get lower now. Last season, +3 across the board would net the skater three extra points, for a total of 6.90 (I believe the points were straight +1, +2, and +3, directly corresponding to the GOEs given) . Now, +3 across the board would get only 2.1 points (total = 6.00), +2 scores 1.4 and +1 scores 0.7 (so essentially a 30% reduction in possible GOE earned).
This can clearly be seen comparing Takahashi's 2011 NHK SP and Chan's 2011 World SP scores for footwork. Takahashi got six +3s and three +2s, for a factored GOE of 1.90 (source). Chan got the reverse, six +2s and three +3s, but the factoring gave him a GOE of 2.29 (source). All that means for Chan (and Takahashi and Fernandez and....) is that an element he can score well with is worth slightly less.
I don't think that's true. I don't think some (such as me) are trying to convince others to love Patrick. It's more like defending some ridiculous accusation that's far from the truth. As they always say, hater's gonna hate.
I don't think most of Patrick's fans think he's the epitome of anything, but you can believe whatever you want.
If you look at the score, he did get penalized for his fall. What else do you want??
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But....what skater is completely and universally loved by all fans? Every skater will have detractors of a sort and cries of WUZROBBED and OVERSCORED are practically endemic to this board, and not only regarding Patrick. Are differences in opinion not allowed?
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I watched only EuroSport today, so I didn't even have to look for it. If you can give us the links to "all other professional opinions" that agreed with his high score today, that would be nice of you.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion. What I was saying was the fact that you tend to put artistic skaters over tech-strong skaters was different from what the judges actually do. Bring some detailed numbers, so we could discuss them. Otherwise, it sounds baseless, especially with those reputation and politics accusations throwing around.
I wouldn't put Chan into artistic skaters category. And I agree that he doesn't have the best artistry in the world. But I very much agree with what Ilovefigures said. What is artistry? How do you judge artistry in PCS? According to the breakdowns in the 5 categories in PCS, Chan did well in general. He is a well rounded skater, better than artistic skaters who are often weak technically, such as Rippon; and better than pure technical skaters who are very much lack of artistic abilities, such as Song. It is baseless to put Chan and Song in the same group on artistry and seperated only by "posing" skills. (Yes, you did say superior blade work. But as you yourself said before, that doesn't belong to artistry.) The way you assess his skills was as if he has little or no artistry. That was why I say that Chan has good artistry, not the best, but very considerable. It was just the artistry you don't like.
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